From: Miles Erickson To: Ron Hunter Msg #27, 02-Jul-90 09:39pm Subject: Re: Re: The Tt > I don't think you understand the main thrust at Atari. They are NOT in >business to please you, or any other individual customer, but rather, to make >MONEY. This they DO, by avoiding the massive competition in the US, and >concentrating their limited production on countries where the competition is >less vicious. You see them strong in Europe, especially eastern Europe, and >they seem to hit Canada with new products before the US (partly because of our >FCC), and partly because the market there is less crowded. Haven't seen Atari >make anx0attempt to 'invade' Japan, either, have you? > They are NOT the size of IBM, NEC, or even Apple, and they have to get a >solid beachhead established before they can really go after the US market, and >the MUST get production up. If Atari has any serious problem, it is >PRODUCTION. They have NEVER been able to build enough computers, and have >them in the right place at the right time. >--- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) > * Origin: The Foundation Supports The Atari ST! 817-444-3023 (1:130/19) PARTLY because of the FCC? For the moment, entirely! You can get a STacy here, but only if you're a professional musician.. You can get an STe, but you have to keep it in an office. All because of the FCC. --- Lynx II # Origin: Pandora's Box: Eugene, OR - HST - (503) 343-4520 (Lynx 1:152/6) * Origin: Network Echogate (1:129/34) From: Miles Erickson To: Ron Hunter Msg #28, 02-Jul-90 09:44pm Subject: Re: Stalker/steno Updates > NO ST PROGRAM supports the FULL IBM ANSI graphics. The hardware just isn't >capable of some of the variations of color/text that ANSI uses. Something >like Spectrum might come close, but it would be prohibitively expensive (time >wise) to try to do this. What STalker does, is support the cursor >positioning, and SOME of the color, up to the limits of the hardware, but it >is NOT complete. For that, you will have to get the 'real thing'. IF it is >that important. >--- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) > * Origin: The Foundation Supports The Atari ST! 817-444-3023 (1:130/19) Yeah, right, HAHAHAHAHA! Then why can an IBM with a CGA monitor fully support ANSI? This is a joke, right? The Atari ST could EASILY emulate full ANSI, it's just that nobody has gotten around to it. ANSI doesn't have 5 million clors, as you seem to suggest. It has 16. ANSI is *NOT* that good a standard to begin with. The Atari standard G.I.M.E. is much better, but has virtually NO support and costs $30, just for the terminal software (which actually is said to fully support ANSI, and evan has an ANSI text editor!) Of course, that's the advertising, I haven't seen it. The only thing stopping programmers from developing IBM ECS PLUS ANSI (which is commonly referred to as ANSI, a misconception...) is supported nowe`here because nobody really wanted to build a graphical BIOS replacement into the program to support the IBM's > CHR$(124) characters. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ /___/ / /___/ /___/ / /___ / / / / / / / \ _/__ ___/ / --- Lynx II # Origin: Pandora's Box: Eugene, OR - HST - (503) 343-4520 (Lynx 1:152/6) * Origin: Network Echogate (1:129/34) From: Miles Erickson To: Ron Hunter Msg #29, 02-Jul-90 09:53pm Subject: Re: Uh? Excuse me, but if I wanted to, I could run down to the local "Toys 'R' Us" and buy a Lynx any time I wanted. I won't pay $180 for one, though, I'd really rather buy a PortFolio or a STacy.... --- Lynx II # Origin: Pandora's Box: Eugene, OR - HST - (503) 343-4520 (Lynx 1:152/6) * Origin: Network Echogate (1:129/34) From: Miles Erickson To: Michael Harvey Msg #30, 02-Jul-90 09:56pm Subject: Re: Re: Okay... I'll Lighten Up... Yeah, the wonderful TOS 1.6.. What;s wrong with 1.4, and why not upgrade the 1040, SIMMs or no? I've heard the things are rather pricey... ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ /___/ / /___/ /___/ / /___ / / / / / / / \ _/__ ___/ / --- Lynx II # Origin: Pandora's Box: Eugene, OR - HST - (503) 343-4520 (Lynx 1:152/6) * Origin: Network Echogate (1:129/34) From: Miles Erickson To: Alex Rubenstein Msg #31, 02-Jul-90 09:58pm Subject: Re: Quick St 2.0 According to Current Notes, Quick ST II is superior to Turbo ST. According to me, don't say QBBS is so great until we all look at STark. Whoall has a QBBS-ST I might be le to download with this 11 cents/min. deal coming up? --- Lynx II # Origin: Pandora's Box: Eugene, OR - HST - (503) 343-4520 (Lynx 1:152/6) * Origin: Network Echogate (1:129/34) From: Miles Erickson To: Alex Rubenstein Msg #32, 02-Jul-90 10:00pm Subject: Re: Duplex 3.0 Very Soon Non-Chatting Sysops are unknown to their users, at least personally, and they tend to have less popular boards. Heck, if I didn't chat with every user I saw, this STadel of mine would be a flop! Of course, it already is, but I have one or two calls each day. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ /___/ / /___/ /___/ / /___ / / / / / / / \ _/__ ___/ / --- Lynx II # Origin: Pandora's Box: Eugene, OR - HST - (503) 343-4520 (Lynx 1:152/6) * Origin: Network Echogate (1:129/34) From: Miles Erickson To: Alex Rubenstein Msg #33, 02-Jul-90 10:04pm Subject: Re: Begging For Info..... Easiest to use? I tried 0.63 for a week, and it was a royal pain in the ass. About all it could do was crash in German. (Yes, the menu editor wouldn't even work.. Nor would the message bases..) --- Lynx II # Origin: Pandora's Box: Eugene, OR - HST - (503) 343-4520 (Lynx 1:152/6) * Origin: Network Echogate (1:129/34) From: Miles Erickson To: William Weselowski Msg #34, 02-Jul-90 10:08pm Subject: Re: Dead Moose Yes, there is a mouse controller chip, and yes, it's known to fail occasionally. Need I say more? --- Lynx II # Origin: Pandora's Box: Eugene, OR - HST - (503) 343-4520 (Lynx 1:152/6) * Origin: Network Echo'ate (1:129/34) From: De!n Brune4te To: The Boss sg #35, 02-Jul-90 07:14 Subject: Re: Get Thicker Skin Pal. In a message The Nu4 on 30 Jun 1990, The Boss write3: > H%llo .. 3orry "T(e NUT" )s a handle and can not be use on > this echo > You must use your real mane .. thanks .. Let's practice what we preach, and maybe the better example will stop cause less problems. --dean --- DragNET 1.14/4scan Beta * Origin: The Dragon's Lair SSF, CA HST/v32 WWIV (1:125/169) From: Adam Tilghman To: The Boss Msg #36, 02-Jul-90 10:00am Subject: Re: Get Thicker Skin Pal. TB> Hello .. sorry "The NUT" is a handle and can not be use on this echo TB> You must use your real mane .. thanks .. Sorry about that slip-up... I forgot to change my handle to my realname before using the net area. BTW, isn't "The Boss" a handle, too? Adam Tilghman aka "The Nut" --- ConfMail V4.00 * Origin: The Dragon's Lair SSF, CA HST/V32 WWIV (1:125/169) From: Kelley Rogers To: All Msg #37, 02-Jul-90 12:15pm Subject: MIDI to RS-232 Does anybody know of a device to convert a MIDI port to an RS-232 port? If not, got any ideas about how to make one? --- QM v1.00 * Origin: BlazerBBS *P.A.S.T.E.* Eugene, OR (503)353-9724 (1:152/9.0) From: Kipp Shinabarger To: Tony Haynes Msg #38, 02-Jul-90 12:23pm Subject: Re: 1040STe Most of the "bug" reports are really software companies that took shortcuts around TOS to achieve faster load rates, and such. Those shortcuts now crash the machine. If developers would have listened to Atari, and followed the TOS plans, these certian problems wouldnt be popping up now. The only real "bug" in TOS is the non-boot-medium rez... but that has a "Fix"... --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Reg) * Origin: E.T.'s Home Phone: Time travel prohibited (1:227/110) From: Mason Taube To: All Msg #39, 03-Jul-90 12:12pm Subject: MSTe box! A company in Germany is working on a box that blugs into the cartridge port of the ST, and turns it into an STe! --- QuickBBS v2.04 * Origin: Poison Pete's in Branchville NJ, -HST-, 201-948-3428 (1:269/201) From: Mike Kelley To: Sam Kanter Msg #40, 03-Jul-90 12:05pm Subject: STacy I may be in need of a STacy for work on my satellite TV project very soon. Could you please pass the name/address/phone for a carrying dealer? --- Opus-CBCS 1.12 * Origin: Crystal Palace The Ghost in the Machine (1:382/1.0) From: Mike Kelley To: Hao Ngo Msg #41, 03-Jul-90 12:10pm Subject: Re: dead moose I take it you have gone through and cleaned the rollers with alcohol and a Q-tip? --- Opus-CBCS 1.12 * Origin: Crystal Palace The Ghost in the Machine (1:382/1.0) From: Archie Jaszcz To: Mason Taube Msg #42, 02-Jul-90 12:55pm Subject: Re: language origins Well, I've never stayed in New York long enough to talk much to the New Yorkers (mainly they were not very talkative) Archbold --- Qtach2 v1.07 U8 * Origin: Blue Moon BBS >HST DS && T2500< Home to ST_PROG Ech (1:226/180) From: Archie Jaszcz To: Robert Heller Msg #43, 02-Jul-90 12:58pm Subject: Re: language origins Yeah, I might be wrong about French, but English and German are of the same origin... Polish is definitely not a Germanic language... Archbold --- Qtach2 v1.07 U8 * Origin: Blue Moon BBS >HST DS && T2500< Home to ST_PROG Ech (1:226/180) From: Marty Jackson To: Joseph T. Szajewski Msg #44, 02-Jul-90 06:13pm Subject: Re: Snotty too, Huh? In a message to Marty Jackson <01 Jul 90 09:28:02>, Joseph T. Szajewski wrote: > > > In fact, there is no apple echo that I can get to on FIDOnet > through my sysops. So ... when I made some general comments, got some > responses, and wrote back... everything seemed fine - until I said I had > an apple. Then, narrow-minded users, said - "get out". > On the other hand, a few, said "stay." I am in fact not "here" anymore. > I've deselected this sig from my normal scanning of messages. But I > have to come back once in a while because one of YOU takes a jab ( and it > appears in my "Messages to YOU" prompt and gives me the messages > automatically. > > I promise. If you quite writing to me, I'll quit answering. OK? > > But what a narrow, closed in, boxed up world we live in when a " > users" hospitality is limited to those of his own kind .... > --- RemoteAccess 0.03 > * Origin: OIS BBS - Dover Hub (1:150/201) > > Just another A**** user with an inferiority complex. Besides, this is the ATARI ST sig. I think A**** people would get ticked off if I showed up on their sig hinting that my computer might be better. Think about it that way. --- Qtach2 v1.07 U8 * Origin: Blue Moon BBS >HST DS && T2500< Home to ST_PROG Ech (1:226/180) From: Archie Jaszcz To: Mason Taube Msg #45, 03-Jul-90 12:56pm Subject: Gem macros on the AssemPro Yeah, I don't really get it either. THEY SHOULD work properly if the macros use proper parameters. It might be something about the way these macros (like GEM_INIT in AssemPro) initialize GEM... I wish I could get my hands on original GEM documentation, that HAS to be right... I also tried to write whole GEM initialization & resource displaying program 'by hand' with all the necessary arrays & other stuff in my own data area, but it didn't work well in AssemPro, that's why I started using DevPak exclusively... Archbold --- Qtach2 v1.07 U8 * Origin: Blue Moon BBS >HST DS && T2500< Home to ST_PROG Ech (1:226/180) From: Rod Fulk To: Jason Buchanan Msg #46, 02-Jul-90 05:23pm Subject: Re: Atari STE In a message of <28 Jun 90 03:55:00>, Jason Buchanan of (1:286/707) writes: JB> How's Populous? Sure would be nice if EOA would get off their copy JB> protection duff and distribute software that we could enjoy. Rather JB> than putting up with weird schemes, etc. JB> JB> JSB I understand that NORMAL populous does NOT work with the STe, however there is a NEW version of populous that IS compatible... --- FIDOdoor/ST 1.5d [Registered] * Origin: R.I.P. (616)235-2313 130Megs 3/12/24/96/MNP5/HST ST/Amiga (1:228/24.0) From: Rod Fulk To: Tony Bauman Msg #47, 02-Jul-90 05:32pm Subject: Back in the saddle SOME of the visable features of TOS 1.4 MUCH quicker screen handling.. MUCH quicker program loading for big memory machines.. (No need for pinhead to make the computer livable) IBM disk compatiblility. (Now your St disks CAN be read by IBM's) MOVE file utiltity... (Copies then deletes..) Only 1 disk swap to copy a file if it fits into memory... The disk accessing has been speeded up some also... Plus the file selector is MUCH better than the old one... And alot of other things to numerous to mention.. Get TOS 1.4, you will be glad you did.. --- FIDOdoor/ST 1.5d [Registered] * Origin: R.I.P. (616)235-2313 130Megs 3/12/24/96/MNP5/HST ST/Amiga (1:228/24.0) From: Sam Kanter To: Andrew Beck Msg #48, 02-Jul-90 12:07am Subject: Re: Lots Of Things... I can't find thread or original message. What are you asking about? --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: LINKS_II MIDI_INN Multi-User TBBS - NYC, NY (1:107/711) From: Jan Dembowski To: David Pendell Msg #49, 01-Jul-90 11:58am Subject: Re: Get Thicker Skin Pal. MIDI TASKING is only for MIDI programs. There was a BIG brouhaha on GEnie about this: Everyone thought that MIDITASKING meant multitasking... It doesn't. Yes properly written programs WILL work with MIDI TASKING... but how many programs will break under "properly written" rules? Read up in STREPORT for more details if you don't log onto GEnie. Jan Dembowski --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: the Night Shift BBS - Staten Isl, NY - (718) 816-7792 (1:107/609) From: Jan Dembowski To: Mason Taube Msg #50, 01-Jul-90 11:59am Subject: Re: Uh? Oh. In that case... how do we get 256k ROMS into our 192k ROM sets... Jan Dembowski --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: the Night Shift BBS - Staten Isl, NY - (718) 816-7792 (1:107/609) From: Jan Dembowski To: Alex Rubenstein Msg #51, 01-Jul-90 12:00pm Subject: Re: Uh? Sure! You can put a 40mhz 68030 in a TT! And watch it run along at 16mhz. You also have to change the clock speed too (But I bet my last dollar you knew this already... :) Jan Dembowski --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: the Night Shift BBS - Staten Isl, NY - (718) 816-7792 (1:107/609) From: Kevin Drum To: All Msg #52, 25-Jun-90 09:54pm Subject: Hey guys, is this message getting out?? --- Telegard v2.5 Delta Node #1; Specialized * Origin: The Mobius Building --> Detroit's Tallest BBS (1:120/153.0) From: Ed Krimen @ 914/204 To: Lee Griggs Msg #53, 02-Jul-90 06:26pm Subject: Re:disks I got your disks today. I'll have the ST Connexion Sound Demo and TNT Crew FNIL Demo creator out to you in a couple of days. That New Years Demo is pretty cool! --- RBBSMAIL 17.2A # Origin: Leviathan RBBS (415) 387-5117 (RBBS-PC 8:914/204) * Origin: Network Gateway to RBBS-NET (RBBS-PC 1:10/8) From: Ed Krimen @ 914/204 To: The Boss Msg #54, 02-Jul-90 06:29pm Subject: Re: Get Thicker Skin Pal. - Msg #: 4188 ATARI Subboard - From: THE BOSS Sent: 06-30-90 03:00 - To: THE NUT Rcvd: -NO- - Re: (R) GET THICKER SKIN PAL. - - Hello .. sorry "The NUT" is a handle and can not be use on this - echo You must use your real mane .. thanks .. Er, John? That doesn't sit too well with me and, I'm sure, some other people considering that you used your handle to tell him that he couldn't use his. :^) --- RBBSMAIL 17.2A # Origin: Leviathan RBBS (415) 387-5117 (RBBS-PC 8:914/204) * Origin: Network Gateway to RBBS-NET (RBBS-PC 1:10/8) From: Ed Krimen @ 914/204 To: Al Horton Msg #55, 02-Jul-90 06:33pm Subject: Re: Ingenuity - I have been in this echo for about 2 months. What really amazes me - is that EVERYONE screams to get advertising for Atari, to educate - the masses to what a great machine an Atari is, then gets rude with - them when they come in the echo and yells "You're not Atari, what - are you doing in this Sig?" or "There are echo's for your machine. - Leave this one!". Sigh....... The reason everyone bitches "You're not Atari, what are you doing in this Sig?" or whatever, is that others come in here and unnecessarily bash (redundant?!?) the Atari computers. We have no need for that here. We do welcome those who come in here looking for information about the ST -- not bashing it with their heads up their *sses. --- RBBSMAIL 17.2A # Origin: Leviathan RBBS (415) 387-5117 (RBBS-PC 8:914/204) * Origin: Network Gateway to RBBS-NET (RBBS-PC 1:10/8) From: Mark Asbell To: The Boss Msg #56, 03-Jul-90 01:30am Subject: The Moderator? In message 352/21/311, The Boss writes: > Nice little PIC .. but please dont let it get out of hand if you have to > just keep it down ...! > * Origin: AutoBoss/Atari-Elite B.B.S.(412)384-5609/HSTds/Fnet#19 > (1:129/96) IMHO: Gee John.... Besides using a handle, your Origin line exceeds 79 characters as well. Two maleficent actions in one message of admonishment from the moderator. As least you are not like the FoRem PC Professionals who are using two tear lines with four spaces between them. -SaaHa --- TiFo V0.08 * Origin: TMST, ///Turbo-Fido, [FNET #352] (1:381/48) From: Ed Krimen @ 914/204 To: Mark Asbell Msg #57, 03-Jul-90 06:15pm Subject: Re:international St Echos Does Fifo require Binkley? --- RBBSMAIL 17.2A # Origin: Leviathan RBBS (415) 387-5117 (RBBS-PC 8:914/204) * Origin: Network Gateway to RBBS-NET (RBBS-PC 1:10/8) From: Ed Krimen @ 914/204 To: Alex Rubenstein Msg #58, 03-Jul-90 06:20pm Subject: Re: 1040 For Sale - Why are you selling your ST? Why else? To get an STe. I should have it in a week or two, after I sell my ST. I got a call last night from a guy who wants to buy it. Now all I got to do is convince my dealer that $699 is too much. :^) I called a few mail order places and they sell them for $595. --- RBBSMAIL 17.2A # Origin: Leviathan RBBS (415) 387-5117 (RBBS-PC 8:914/204) * Origin: Network Gateway to RBBS-NET (RBBS-PC 1:10/8) From: Ed Krimen @ 914/204 To: Alex Rubenstein Msg #59, 03-Jul-90 06:22pm Subject: Re: Uh? - > Stacy will be going for around $3000 in it's high end - configuration... - - - Yeah.. three months ago I saw the 4/40 for 2799 in a magazine. Locally, it goes for $2500 with 4 megs and 40 meg hd. --- RBBSMAIL 17.2A # Origin: Leviathan RBBS (415) 387-5117 (RBBS-PC 8:914/204) * Origin: Network Gateway to RBBS-NET (RBBS-PC 1:10/8) From: Donald Mann To: All Msg #60, 02-Jul-90 10:08pm Subject: Z-modem Douse aneyone have Z-modem as a .AC Donald Mann --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: Cleburne BBS - Cleburne Texas (817-641-4842) (1:130/14.0) From: Todd Taylor To: All Msg #61, 03-Jul-90 05:45pm Subject: 1040 For Salw I have a friend that is wanting to sell his 1040 S.T. system, which includes a 1040 w/1Meg or a color monitor. He is asking $800 obo. --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: The Foundation Supports The Atari ST! 817-444-3023 (1:130/19) From: Ron Hunter To: Andrew Beck Msg #62, 03-Jul-90 07:26pm Subject: Re: Kind of a dumb question... Andrew, I am sure you will get lots of answers about why the 520ST isn't called the 512ST. You see, if you multiply 1024(a K), by 512, you GET 524,288. Maybe they should have called it the 524ST! --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: The Foundation Supports The Atari ST! 817-444-3023 (1:130/19) From: Ron Hunter To: Andrew Beck Msg #63, 03-Jul-90 07:28pm Subject: Re: Mega STE Half? The STe runs about 90% of software for the other STs. It DOES have problems with a lot of games, expecially the older ones, but nowhere NEAR half the programs, even games. --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: The Foundation Supports The Atari ST! 817-444-3023 (1:130/19) From: Ron Hunter To: Hao Ngo Msg #64, 03-Jul-90 07:33pm Subject: Re: dead moose It appears some Atari mouses were not too well-built, especially those manufactured in Tiawan an Hong Cong. The Japanese species are quite sturdy. Mine is working perfectly after over 4 years of daily use. There are many alternatives, such as the Best mouse, and the Kensington Mouse, and even a cordless mouse. Let your pocketbook be your guide. --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: The Foundation Supports The Atari ST! 817-444-3023 (1:130/19) From: Ron Hunter To: Mason Taube Msg #65, 03-Jul-90 07:34pm Subject: Re: Programming I haven't seen MS Basic Pro, but if it is like Quick Basic, it is quite nice, although not nearly as FAST as GFA. --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: The Foundation Supports The Atari ST! 817-444-3023 (1:130/19) From: Ron Hunter To: Terrence Trent Msg #66, 03-Jul-90 07:37pm Subject: Re: Mega and PC ditto Well, you SHOULD be able to get the PC Ditto II to work with your 1040. If not, perhaps you can work a trade. I assure you, it DOES work with a lot of them. Did you get the chip upgrade from Avant Garde? If not, do. If you did, let them know you have a problem still. Lawton OK, isn't too far from FT. Worth. We have two dealers who would be happy to work with you on a system. --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: The Foundation Supports The Atari ST! 817-444-3023 (1:130/19) From: Joseph T. Szajewski To: Andrew Beck Msg #67, 03-Jul-90 12:40pm Subject: Lord Knows I Tried > If you were looking for the "real computer sig" than wny are > you leaving the Atari sig? And going to a "fake computer > sig" like the fruity Apple? > Lord knows I tried. I didn't answer four other notes directed at me and I have toggled off the ATARI sig from my menus. But YOU ALL keep taking shots at me and EXPECT me to stay outta here. I CAN'T STAND BEING SILENT WHEN SOMEONE IS PULLING MY CHAIN. So, in the spirit of comeraderie I say: I haven't found an Apple sig that I can get into for "free". I can't afford long distance and the boards in central DE that I can access without toll charges don't carry Apple sigs. When first signing on to the OIS BBS here in Dover, I "viewed" a lot of the echos - some of which I really enjoyed. Now, having "rattled your chains" a little, I found it entertaining to say a few words now and then. But I understand the exclusivity that most of you seem to desire so - if you don't ring my doorbell, I won't answer the door. Ok? Have fun with your machines. I enjoy mine immensely. Joe --- RemoteAccess 0.03 * Origin: OIS BBS - Dover Hub (1:150/201) From: Mason Taube To: Miles Erickson Msg #68, 03-Jul-90 10:02pm Subject: Re: St Emulator -> Sure, but what's the point? Why not just use your ST and -> your SuperCharger? (Why don't we just have Danny clear up -> all this LN?!) It was a joke! --- QuickBBS v2.04 * Origin: Poison Pete's in Branchville NJ, -HST-, 201-948-3428 (1:269/201) From: Andrew Beck To: All Msg #69, 04-Jul-90 12:55am Subject: Wanted: Mega 2/4 I am looking for a Mega 2 or 4. Respond in this echo. I don't want to pay a whole hell of a lot for it... Be sure to include price and ALL that it comes with..... --- QuickBBS v2.04 * Origin: Poison Pete's in Branchville NJ, -HST-, 201-948-3428 (1:269/201) From: Terrence Trent To: Tony Haynes Msg #70, 04-Jul-90 12:10am Subject: Re: 1040STe I got one the other day. Nice machine. I especially like the quick screen update. I was very surprised to discover that it has an RF port for the VCR, now my kids can save their art creations and I can use it in a painless way to create titles for the home videos that we make each time we go on a trip. I did notice with a friends Universal Item Selecter II that it didn't want to run. But once that was eliminated, all other programs worked fine. I have used it with ST-writer, Write ST, LDW, PageStream, EasyDraw, Planetariam (sp) and every thing else I could access on the hard drive and all was fine. Now if I can fine an inexpensive source for the SIMMs to take me up to four megs, here I come. I also have another 1040ST that the kids have inherited and am glad to have two systems that can share the same software. Since I had both the monochrome and color monitor, I simply gave the kids the color. Now the TV is off and the kids are busy gathered around the computer. It clearly makes a difference for them to have their own. Though we have had 1040ST for about five years the kids stayed clear of it simply because they saw it as "dads." I only wish I had got them one sooner. Trade up from the 1040ST to the STe, probably not. But add it to the family for the kids, you bet. Terry --- STar-Gate v1.10 (Atari ST) * Origin: CLYE MAX BBS - Lawton, OK - 405-536-7542 (1:385/18) From: Terrence Trent To: Hao Ngo Msg #71, 04-Jul-90 12:21am Subject: Re: dead moose Try cleaning it, it worked for me... Terry --- STar-Gate v1.10 (Atari ST) * Origin: CLYE MAX BBS - Lawton, OK - 405-536-7542 (1:385/18) From: William Wesolowski To: Jim Kung Msg #72, 04-Jul-90 02:55pm Subject: Rufus I got Rufus1.02 that I thought was the English version, but was still German. German. Is the English version a different version number? --- RemoteAccess 0.03+ * Origin: Forecast Office HST West Allis WI 414-541-9426 (1:154/970) From: Tony Haynes To: Alex Rubenstein Msg #73, 03-Jul-90 03:51pm Subject: Re: ST systems Actually I would prefer a color moniter, if I can get ahold of one. --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Reg) * Origin: E.T.'s Home Phone: Time travel prohibited (1:227/110) From: Robert Anisko To: Steve Yelvington Msg #74, 04-Jul-90 12:04pm Subject: Re: Atari Nets... There is a new Forem-clone out for the ST that is ALOT better than Forem itself (it's called //Turbo). It has some nice features, like a MACRO feature (for those common /this/that/etc that you're always using). What I like the best is that in the file sections, you can view the contents of, and read a text file from and ARC AND!!! LZH file (so you know what you're gonna get before you download it. That's my favorite feature... Yeah, there is a Forem-net (Fnet) which also gets alot of messages (ask Mike Mezaros on this net, he's also over there too)... RJA --- TMail v1.15 # Origin: Pittsburgh Atari (412) 344-8504 V32/V42BIS/HST [7 lines] (8:7001/1) * Origin: Network Echogate (1:129/34) From: Chris Turner To: All Msg #75, 03-Jul-90 06:49pm Subject: ST Mice for sale ST HARDWARE =========== (3) Three Atari Mice. Great backup3. Probably works better than the mouse you have right now. $25 each obo. (1) Atari Mouse for parts...$10. (no cord, basically shell, and innards). All Original boxes, disks, and manuals. Make me an offer. You pay UPS shipping/COD costs. Chris Turner 615-894-1874 (After 6pm Eastern Time) --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: The Old Folk's Home...9600 HST 615-265-2629 (1:362/701.0) From: Chris Turner To: All Msg #76, 03-Jul-90 06:50pm Subject: Software for sale Atari ST Software for sale: --------------------------- (2) StarGlider, $10. Borrowed Time, $5. Rings of Zilfin (SSI), $15. Music Construction Set, $15. MIDIPlay, $15. Gauntlet, $20. Copy II ST, $10. Dark Castle, $20. Wanderer, $5. Test Drive, $15. Terror Pods, $15. Questron II(SSI), $15. Phantasie III(SSI), $15. Music Studio, $10. EZ Track ST, $20. HEX, (no Manual/Box), $5. Or all for $130. One of the better deals in America today! Chris Turner 615-894-1874 after 6pm EST --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: The Old Folk's Home...9600 HST 615-265-2629 (1:362/701.0) From: Sheldon Winick To: Ed Krimen @ 914/204 Msg #77, 03-Jul-90 06:04am Subject: Re: St Systems Atari is shipping the STe's with a new system disk which contains a simple patch program for placement in the AUTO folder that'll enable the STe to boot in medium resolution color if desired. --- QuickBBS v2.61 [EVALUATION] * Origin: * ONLINE BBS * Asheville, NC * 704-251-5507 * HST (1:151/35.0) From: Sheldon Winick To: Terrence Trent Msg #78, 03-Jul-90 06:24am Subject: Re: Mega and PC ditto PC-Ditto II will fit into a Mega much better than it does in a 1040. Make sure you have the new PAL chips on the PCD-II board though. Check on GEnie for the latest info from Avant-Garde regarding updates and installation notes. PCD-II does work, but....... Do yourself a favor if you really need PC emulation and spring for a Supercharger unit. Much simpler installation (just plug it into the DMA port) and less aggrevation. Besides, if you should have any conflicts its real easy to unplug. Since you don't have a local Atari dealer, you can check with Atari Corp for the location of the nearest dealer to you. Their number is (408) 745-2000. If you need any other assistance or advice let me know (I am an Atari dealer). There are also a few other dealers active here on the Echo if you need help with most anything Atari related. --- QuickBBS v2.61 [EVALUATION] * Origin: * ONLINE BBS * Asheville, NC * 704-251-5507 * HST (1:151/35.0) From: Bill Taylor To: All Msg #79, 03-Jul-90 09:04pm Subject: What is status of this ECHO I have not gotten any message from this Echo for weeks/ IS it dead or has the feed gone away?? Bill Taylor SYSOP FOrt Mill Tabby --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Fort Mill TABBY - Fort Mill, SC 803-548-0900 (1:376/24) From: Paul Winterhalder To: Tony Haynes Msg #80, 03-Jul-90 03:04pm Subject: Re: St For Sale! Sorry, my ST is sold. Thanks anyway! _====== == - ,- =C \_/ ) Paul Winterhalder \____/ --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Northern Connection, Fredericton, N.B. Canada (1:255/3) From: Rik dumbshit To: All Msg #81, 03-Jul-90 08:34pm Subject: Disk Drives I've been toying with the idea of dropping a new drive mechanism in an old SSDD Atari drive. I've figured that out that even the OLDEST STs are supposed to have the WD1772 floppy drive controller on-board, so presumably all you have to do to turn an SF 354 single-sided drive into a double-sided unit is pop in a DSDD drive mechanism (720K drives can be had for as little as $ 60). Is this correct? Or is there some pitfall I'm overlooking? and will any 3.5 inch 720K mechanism work, or is there some special ST modification required ? Does anyone out there know these things? Please? Rik Spacek --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Northern Connection, Fredericton, N.B. Canada (1:255/3) From: Greg (sysop) To: David Pendell Msg #82, 03-Jul-90 09:53pm Subject: Definition Of "Multi-Tasking" > I know that your Amiga has the appearance of multitasking, I have had > the oppurtunity to work with an Amiga and it is very impressive (It > still isn't my STe though). Unfortunatly you are not correct. The only > way to have TRUE multitasking is to have multiple processors. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Ya know what they call that, "Parallel-processing". Here's the definition of multi-tasking straight out of the ROM KERNAL REFERENCE manual: Libraries & Devices: MULTITASKING: A system in which many tasks can be operating at the same time, with no task forced to be aware of any other task. In other-words, to the user it appears that two or more programs are running at the same time. TO THE PROGRAMMER, s/he does NOT have to worry about what any other program is currently doing (within reason). ie. program 1 is independent of any other program. Programmer #1 does not have to worry about how much CPU time or resources, etc, is being taken up by program #2 as this is looked after by the OS (assuming program #2 is running under the OS and not taking the machine over like most games do). Program #1's priority can be changed to a lower/higher priority on the fly providing more or less CPU cycles for that given task. Same is true for every task running. The only limit on the number of unique tasks running is available memory. My definition of MULTIUSER: One or more terminals hooked upto the main processing unit (CPU) allowing one or more users to share the same CPU resources. Essentially the same as having multiple windows on the same monitor/screen but with X number of input devices. My definition of TASK-SWITCHING: An operating system that was initially developed to handle only running only one program at a time. Then when the multi-tasking operating systems were introduced, the programmers added some hacks to simulate running several tasks. Eg. Macinto*h running under multi-finder. Apple themselves have stated that this is temporary until they can get a true multi-tasking OS running. The one difference with the Amiga and PS/2s are the fact that the OS was designed to multi-task. It generally has nothing to do with the hardware (another exception being the custom chips in the Amiga). Any computer can do it within a reasonable bounds (reasonably fast CPU's required). > (The CRAY does this very well) > Even though you think that your Amiga is multitasking it is only TASK > SWITCHING AT A SPEED HIGHER THAN YOU CAN KEEP UP WITH. Wich gives the > appearance of multitasking. Don't feel bad UNIX doesn't even multitask. WRONG AGAIN! The UNIX OS was also designed to multi-task and so therefore it too is multitasking as far as you are concerned. Sorry, got a little wordy. :) Greg Patterson --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Northern Connection, Fredericton, N.B. Canada From: Richard Wardlow To: Chris Turner Msg #83, 04-Jul-90 03:17pm Subject: Re: Software For Sale does the MIDIplay come with any songs? if not do you have any songs for MIDI klike music studio songs or anything else for MIDI??? Richard you can reach me at (813)343-8776 or just reply a message --- ZMailQ 1.12 (QuickBBS) * Origin: Mercury Opus * St. Petersburg, FL * (813) 321-0734 (1:3603/20.0) From: Danny Ramos To: Ed Krimen @ 914/204 Msg #84, 30-Jun-90 08:48pm Subject: Re: 1040 For Sale Where can I get a demo for the STe? I haven't seen any ANYWHERE. --- Maximus-CBCS v1.00 * Origin: APOLLO SYSTEMS Chicopee, MA (1:321/301) From: CR Hamilton To: Alex Rubensteinq Msg #85, 03-Jul-89 07:21pm Subject: Few things... In a message of <27 Jun 90 18:40:34>, Alex Rubenstein (1:269/207) writes: => I have heard something lately for those of us who are Quick sysops.. => QuickBBS/ST in future versions will probably have IG52 Graphics built => in.. Did they ever get a US distribution point? I might think about switching to the ST version if there was a way to get the key without an overseas phone call. --- msged 1.96S TcST * Origin: The Foundation BBS * Azle, Tx * [817] 444-3023 * (1:130/19.100) From: CR Hamilton To: Marty Jackson Msg #86, 03-Jul-89 07:50pm Subject: Re: Uh? In a message of <30 Jun 90 17:04:00>, Marty Jackson (1:226/180) writes: => Sim City is a simulation where you control a city over a period of => years, making Economic decisions and so forth. I've never played it => myself, but a friend of mine swears by the A**** version. It is GREAT! Totally addictive.... This is one you MUST have, if you like games that make you think. Thanks, Herb! --- msged 1.96S TcST * Origin: The Foundation BBS * Azle, Tx * [817] 444-3023 * (1:130/19.100) From: CR Hamilton To: Jan Dembowski Msg #87, 03-Jul-89 07:50pm Subject: Re: Get Thicker Skin Pal. In a message of <29 Jun 90 09:05:11>, Jan Dembowski (1:107/609) writes: => What? The Foundation is down? => => ALL THESE POSTS TO RON HAVE BEEN TOSSED INTO FAT TABLE SCRAP?! => => :) Well thanks for the warning. I hope you get the Foundation up and => running... Herb and Ron really do get things interesting! It's back up and running, thanks to Herb, Ernie, and Mike! Called him the night the Toshiba cratered, and had a drive the next day.... but couldn't get it to format correctly. So THE OTHER DEALER (Ernie), loaned me one of his drives to try... Same problem with it.... I finally found that a bad controller was causing all the headaches getting back on line, and once that was replaced with a loaner from a 'clone' dealer, MegaBytes' drive is going strong, and the Foundation is back in biz... --- msged 1.96S TcST * Origin: The Foundation BBS * Azle, Tx * [817] 444-3023 * (1:130/19.100) From: Lou Garner To: Wayne Myers Msg #88, 03-Jul-90 10:42pm Subject: Re: Back in the saddle > It's the am%rican m!rket. hat's w(y you d/n't see stuff > in eu2ope her%. specifically U.S.A Yeah, but thi.gs DO h!ve a wa9 of cro3sing th% Atlant)c on t(eir own. Would be nice to b% able t/ use TUBO C or TURBO PSCAL o. the ST. --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: HARDWIRED - The WOCin' Bug Zapper (1:124/4210.0) From: Lou Garner To: Adam Tilghman Msg #89, 03-Jul-90 10:45pm Subject: Turbo C Can't be sure if you are the one that gave me the post re TURBO C for the ST. Wish I could get a copy of the darn thing! Am used to using TC and would be easier and cheaper than getting something else. >I have been quite satisfied with HiSoft's DevPac ST 2.0 >(distributed in the US by MichTron). Hmmm. Sounds interesting. >It has a very capable debugger, and can link to Personal >Pascal (my major reason for buying it). That makes it's VERY useful to me, as I like Pascal. >P.S. - you mentioned something about Turbo C in the US - you >could probably get a US dealer to special order it, though it >might take a while. The doc's are in German, and so are the >menus, but just grab a German-speaking friend (if you aren't >fluent in German compuspeak) and change the menus in the resource >file to their English equivalents... I know German, and so wouldn't have a problem with that. Does it conform to the U.S. version of TURBO C, with the same procedures, libraries, etc.? BTW, might find the following of some interest ... >From: Rob De.voer >To: Eric Asberry Msg #167, Jun 23 1990 16:29 >Subject: TurboC porting & ISAM > >In a message to Ray McVay <18 Jun 90 22:56:00> Eric Asberry wrote: > > >>>Regarding porting; any way to move Turbo C to Macs or Ataris? > >> > >>I've heard the ATARI has a pretty good PC emulator... > > EA> When I was on BIX a couple of months back I remember reading > EA> that there was a version of TC 2.0 available for the Atari ST, > EA> only catch is that it is only available in Europe. Doesn't > EA> make sense to me, but that's what I heard. > EA> FWIW. > EA> Eric > >I've got TurboC on the Atari ST. The reason its only available in >Europe is because the development and distribution are done by >Heimsoeth Software Gmbh. The rights for the software and >documentation are with Borland tho. > >What's even worse... I bought it in Germany hoping the Dutch/English >version would follow soon. Well it didn't its only beeing sold in >Germany. So documentation is in German. I haven't got any problems >with it but prefer English (Dutch). > >Greetings, -- Rob de Voer -- et me know if you want to sell your copy!nterested in opening up --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: HARDWIRED - The WOCin' Bug Zapper (1:124/4210.0)