K> Are you running Waterloo MacJanet? If so, and you are interested in K> "finding out some useful information", tell me. I'll e-mail it to ya. Sp> You betcha. Waterloo, oh waterloo, so fast, so sleek, so cool with Sp> that k-rad man running in the upper left corner. Useful info? I'm all ears. Of course, we can always use it next year. Is the server in an "accesible area" where you can play with it for about 30 seconds without being seen? If so, what you do is you take a startup, shove it in the drive and reboot the mac. Then walk off like nothing happened. (I recommend doing this while nobody's on the network). When it's booted up in about a minute, go into the HD and copy 2 files off the MacJanet folder (I forget exactly what - haven't done this for about 2 years now) It's the folder with a bunch of app's in it and some data files. The app's all have the cute little "macjanet" icon. Copy all the data files. This shouldn't take more than about 20 seconds since they are about 5k or so. Then, eject the disk, reboot the machine and go. (taking your disk) the machine will load up the network again itself. You have a text editor? Good. On the disk are all the passwords to EVERY user. Even Admin. Look at it with a text editor. Log on to admin, you'll need yet another password. It's in the data file too. When you get in there, you have ULTIMATE power. Create users, delete users, change passwords, find out passwords, even delete the whole HD!! Have fun - but not too much... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Call Tommy's Holiday Camp - 604-361-1464 (HST) 361-4549 (V32bis) Over 6,500 Text files and growing.