Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Wed, 13 Jul 88 05:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 13 Jul 88 05:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl; Wed, 13 Jul 88 05:33:29 EDT Received: by angband.s1.gov id AA13496; Wed, 13 Jul 88 01:07:57 PDT id AA13496; Wed, 13 Jul 88 01:07:57 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jul 88 01:07:57 PDT From: Ted Anderson Message-Id: <8807130807.AA13496@angband.s1.gov> To: Space@angband.s1.gov Reply-To: Space@angband.s1.gov Subject: SPACE Digest V8 #271 SPACE Digest Volume 8 : Issue 271 Today's Topics: Re: Shuttle sim Naming the space station. Re: Martian water, life Re: Bureaucracy vs. space Re: Naming the space station. Soyuz TM-5 flight docks to Mir Re: Space Station naming rules Re: Cometesimals From Space to the Farm: Chicago presentation No new Mir elements Re: Lithium Batteries (was Re: comments/reply for SPACE_DIGEST) Hawaiian spaceport? (Was: Re: SPACE Digest V8 #221) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Jun 88 17:11:35 GMT From: mike@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mike Smithwick) Subject: Re: Shuttle sim [line.eater food] My normal sources of information failed me, and I was caught with my dish down for the tuesday Shuttle sim. Did anyone with a TVRO system get it on videotape, I'd love to get a copy. *** mike *** -- *** mike (starship janitor) smithwick *** "Being a dwarf does have it's shortcomings" [disclaimer : nope, I don't work for NASA, I take full blame for my ideas] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 88 11:11:08 EDT From: loeb@BOURBAKI.MIT.EDU To: portal!cup.portal.com!Daniel_C_Anderson@uunet.uu.net Cc: Space@angband.s1.gov Subject: Naming the space station. Well to be totally nonsexist you should just say Rob Heinlein. And to be grammatical you should say "Everyone who cares at all about space probably cut their ...." Danny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1988 12:44-EDT From: Dale.Amon@h.gp.cs.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Martian water, life Many researchers feel that liquid water may exist deep in the martian regolith. The buildup of pressure in aquifers has been suggested as one possible source of out rush flood features on Mars. It has also been suggested the massive landslides on the sides of Valles Marineris might be caused by undercutting as water is (was) lost the base. The bottoms of the various chasma are deep enough to cut strata which could contain liquid water. The chasma walls would expose such fluid such that it would freeze and sublime, thus weakening the bottom of the cliff and causing collapse. The areas covered by some of the slides are so large that entrained ice and water are thought to have been needed to 'fluidize' the material. If such free water does indeed exist, then one could hypothesize life deep in the regolith. I recommend "Geology of the Terrestrial Planets" to anyone interested in pursuing this furthur. It is somewhat date and needs supplemented with recent research findings on Mars, but is nonetheless quite good. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 88 12:39:06 GMT From: nsc!taux01!amos@decwrl.dec.com (Amos Shapir) Subject: Re: Bureaucracy vs. space For anyone trying to fathom the role of bureaucracy in any organization, C. N. Parkinson's book "Parkinson's Law" is a must (and funny, too!) -- Amos Shapir (My other cpu is a NS32532) National Semiconductor (Israel) 6 Maskit st. P.O.B. 3007, Herzlia 46104, Israel Tel. +972 52 522261 amos%taux01@nsc.com 34 48 E / 32 10 N ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 88 16:44:59 GMT From: agate!soup.ssl.berkeley.edu!gckaplan@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (George Kaplan) Subject: Re: Naming the space station. Several people around here have been mispronouncing Mir to rhyme with 'myrrh'. Maybe we should call our station 'Frankincense' :-) (Actually, Mir sounds more like 'mere') - George Kaplan gckaplan@ssl.berkeley.edu gckaplan@sag2.ssl.berkeley.edu ..!ucbvax!ucbssl!sag2!gckaplan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 88 16:03:03 EDT From: Glenn Chapman Subject: Soyuz TM-5 flight docks to Mir The Soviet's Soyuz TM-5 craft successfully docked with the Mir/Kvant space station complex at 20:00 hours Moscow Daylight time (12:00 noon EDT) today (June 9th). This was a slight delay from the initially announced docking time of 19:00 hours. This of Anatoly Solovyov, Viktor Savinykh and Alexander Alexandrov have now joined the long duration Mir crew of Vladimir Titov and Musahi Manarov. The visitors have a scheduled 47 experiments to accomplish and will stay on board Mir for about 8 day. Note that the station cosmonauts have now been in orbit for 171 days, more than twice the time of the longest Skylab mission. They are still expected to stay aloft for a full year. One correction, lift off time was stated in my June 7th message as 11:03 EDT but it should actually be 10:03 EDT. Mean while the Soyuz TM-6 is entering its final checkout at the Baikonour cosmodrome. This will go up in August and will carry an Afghan guest cosmonaut. I heard an interesting story concerning the Cosmos 1889 biosatellite that the soviets launched last September. As you may recall one of the monkeys in it worked its hand loose from the restraining straps so that the Russians had to bring the satellite home several days early. That resulted in the vehicle landing 2000 Km off course. The Soviet officials phoned up the mayor of the nearest town and told him to send people to get the capsule into a safe warm place, but not to open it. He sent the Soviet eskimos off on snow mobiles. When they found the lander they built an igloo around it, and a fire within the igloo. When the real recovery team arrived the monkeys were conformably warm, instead of frozen to death as would have happened otherwise. Nice mixture of old craft and high tech in that story. (The Russians told this to the people at Payload Systems during their discussions about doing work on the Mir space station). The flight schedule for the end of the year looks very strong for the Russians. Let us work to get the shuttle flying so that we do not fall further behind. Glenn Chapman MIT Lincoln Lab ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 88 13:12:26 GMT From: killer!tness7!tness1!sugar!peter@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Space Station naming rules In article <10109@agate.BERKELEY.EDU>, marchant@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu writes: [ that NASA is seeking space-station names ] > Names under consideration include Earth Star, Freedom, > Independance, Jupiter, Minerva, Olympia, Pilgrim, and Starlight. Truly awful names. How about "Peace"? Only half-smiley. "Destiny", as in "Manifest Destiny" might be appropriate :->. How about "Proxmire"? Get the old bastard on the right side. Or given its likely success, "Roanoake". -- -- Peter da Silva `-_-' ...!hoptoad!academ!uhnix1!sugar!peter -- "Have you hugged your U wolf today?" ...!bellcore!tness1!sugar!peter -- Disclaimer: These may be the official opinions of Hackercorp. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 88 21:12:14 GMT From: dietz@cu-arpa.cs.cornell.edu (Paul F. Dietz) Subject: Re: Cometesimals Frank et. al.'s cometesimal theory, if correct, has some interesting implications for space colonization. The good news is that water might be very abundant at the lunar poles. Cometesimals hitting the moon would deliver an enormous amount of water over geologic time, so even if one molecule in a million is trapped, there would still be a lot there. The bad news is that large space structures would be at risk. Frank et. al. estimate a density of about 3e-12 cometesimals per cubic kilometer. Travelling at 20 km/sec, the flux of comets near the earth would be something like 6e-11 per square kilometer per second. A ten square kilometer powersat would be hit once every fifty years, on average. Each impact would deliver several kilotons of energy. We might expect smaller cometesimals, which would not show up as UV shadows, to be even more common. Paul F. Dietz dietz@gvax.cs.cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 88 20:15 CDT From: Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey Subject: From Space to the Farm: Chicago presentation Original_To: SPACE Chicago Space Frontier Society presents ISTARS: FROM SPACE TO THE FARM Professor John Cesarone University of Illinois at Chicago ADMISSION FREE TO THE PUBLIC Illinois farmers may soon use personal computers and satellite imaging to make their jobs easier, if a proposal by a group of Illinois engineers succeeds. Dr. John Cesarone will explain ISTARS (Illinois System for Tracking Agricultural Resource Status) in a free presentation at 7:00 PM on Monday, June 20, at the Chicago Academy of Sciences, 2001 North Clark Street in Chicago, just west of the Lincoln Park Zoo. Dr. Cesarone, an assistant professor of mechanical engineering at the University of Illinois at Chicago, will explain how ISTARS would collect information from earth-resources observation satellites and from computer databases and make it available to farmers and other users. Such data as images of fields, early warning of crop disease, improved damage assessment, and detailed weather forecasts should make for better farm planning and higher productivity. The ISTARS proposal has been submitted to the new Illinois Space Institute. ############################################################# The Chicago Space Frontier Society, sponsor of this event, is dedicated to the opening of the space frontier. CSFS is the local chapter of the National Space Society. Among its activities are monthly meetings at the Chicago Academy of Sciences which always feature presentations on some aspect of space development. Meetings are held on the third Monday of each month at 7:00 PM. For more information call Bill Higgins at (312)293-1050 or Larry Ahearn at (312)373-0349, or send mail to HIGGINS@FNALC.BITNET. Coming July 18: Highlights of the 7th Space Development Conference. Spaceweek Celebration Saturday, July 23, 1 PM at the Adler Planetarium. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 88 05:38:00 GMT From: kenny@m.cs.uiuc.edu Subject: No new Mir elements I know that several of you are waiting breathlessly for a new set of elements for Mir, but Goddard hasn't come out with one since Soyuz TM-5 went up. Following are the elements for Progress 36 as of 5 June; I don't have the word on when it was undocked from the Mir complex; these elements, which indicate a reboost, may be usable for Mir. 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