Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Thu, 21 Jul 88 18:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 21 Jul 88 18:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl; Thu, 21 Jul 88 18:40:36 EDT Received: by angband.s1.gov id AA22157; Thu, 21 Jul 88 01:06:01 PDT id AA22157; Thu, 21 Jul 88 01:06:01 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Jul 88 01:06:01 PDT From: Ted Anderson Message-Id: <8807210806.AA22157@angband.s1.gov> To: Space@angband.s1.gov Reply-To: Space@angband.s1.gov Subject: SPACE Digest V8 #286 SPACE Digest Volume 8 : Issue 286 Today's Topics: time travel??? Mail test for BITNET Mir and solar flares News test #2 for BITNET Ramscoop engine Re: Pegasus Condensed CANOPUS - May 1988 Re: NASA news - Seasat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Jul 88 01:28:55 GMT From: mind!shari@princeton.edu (Shari Landes) Subject: time travel??? (From my 12-yr old son, Harlan) Is it possible that if you travel faster than the speed of light in space, and come back to earth, you would be able to see yourself in the past? I think it is possible because when you approach the speed of light, time slows down, and if you travel the speed of light, time stops. But, if you return to earth, after traveling in space faster than the speed of light, would you be able to see yourself before you left? -- Harlan -- Shari Landes 609-452-4663 Princeton Univ. Green Hall shari@mind.princeton.EDU Princeton NJ 08544 "Don't look back..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jul 88 11:39:13 PDT From: Eugene N. Miya Subject: Mail test for BITNET Okay Argonne, ACK me if you get this. This was sent using ARPAnet gateway. --eugene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jul 88 15:41:24 EDT From: Glenn Chapman Subject: Mir and solar flares A rather interesting point concerning Mir was made by Bill Higgins of Fermi Lab in a mail message to me. He said: > I encountered a brief headline about a "magnetic storm" that's supposed > to hit this planet this week and stopped to wonder-- what do the Mir & Salyut > cosmonauts do when there's a solar flare? Obviously they don't pack up > and go home. Is there a storm cellar arrangement aboard Mir? Can you explain > the details? He raises a good point about the solar flare. There is no storm shelter on the Mir station. However they are located in low earth orbit, below the Van Allen belts. This means that the earth's magnetic field protects them from the proton particles of the flare. The X-rays from that event I think are rather soft so the station itself has enough mass that the cosmonauts are safe. Never the less they are located at an orbit >70 degrees inclination. That starts putting them near to where stuff leaks through at the magnetic poles, especially as flare tends to distort the magnetic field lines (note that the North magnetic pole is located well within northern Canada - about 78 degrees latitude). I would suspect that would give them substantially higher radiation levels than normal. It is interesting that they went ahead with the space walk under these conditions. Speaking of the EVA, Titov and Manarov on board Mir went out this morning (June 30th) for 5 hours to try and fix the British/Dutch X-ray telescope on the Kvant module. The current information I have is either the repair did not work, or was not finished. They plan another EVA in a few days. I will post more when I get more information. Does anyone out there know what NASA does during similar flares for high inclination shuttle orbits? Hopefully this to will become an issue that we are in space enough to consider. Glenn Chapman MIT Lincoln Lab ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jul 88 18:40:52 GMT From: pioneer.arc.nasa.gov!eugene@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) Subject: News test #2 for BITNET Okay Argonne ACK this. Check the dates in the headers if you can. This was posted to the Usenet side. --eugene (Ted please let these thru) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jul 88 12:19:36 CDT From: C445585%UMCVMB.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu Subject: Ramscoop engine I've read in various places (Carl Sagan's COSMOS, among others) that a ramscoop engine is possible. For those of you who don't know what a ramscoop is, it's essentially a big loose-hydrogen-nuclei collector that sweeps a pretty big area clean of stray hydrogen nuclei, gathers them together into a real hot, tightly packed stream, and fuses them. The idea of this kind of engine is that you can keep up a constant rate of acceleration/deceleration, without running out of fuel. I've got a couple questions, for anyone out there that has the time and inte rest to answer... 1.) How do you reverse the thrust in one? It looks like you'd just alter the scoop field so that the fusion would be blasting more forward than backward , but I have a hard time visualizing a stable ship design for this. 2.) What do you do about micrometeorites, and, for that matter, big meteors in your path? 3.) How much energy does it take to maintain the field, and can you safely keep getting that from the fusion reaction? Especially since the ramscoops are supposed to be for fairly long trips (100's of years!), how do you keep a power system running that collects lots of energy from the reactor working for 100`s of years, without any direct maintainance? (Definitely no HUMAN maintainance!) 4.) What do you do when you're decelerating, and you fall below ramscoop velocity? 5.) Does the density of stray hydrogen nuclei vary as much as it seems like it would between different areas of space? Is the density vastly thinner far away from stars? Is the density around the core different than the density in the outer arms of the galaxy? (Obviously, this might make a ramscoop's bottom velocity lower in dense areas...) Well, thanks for whatever you can give me... John Kelsey == Fiver == C445585@UMCVMB.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 88 20:20:17 GMT From: uplherc!esunix!bpendlet@gr.utah.edu (Bob Pendleton) Subject: Re: Pegasus From article <1191@thumper.bellcore.com>, by karn@thumper.bellcore.com (Phil R. Karn): > Am I the only one who is amazed that anyone would give any credibility > at all to the launch costs projected by the manufacturer of a radically > new launcher that hasn't even been built yet, much less tested and made > operational? What is so radical about Pegasus? Air launch? We've been air launching rockets for 40 years. Remember the X-1? The motors? Carbon filament wound cases and solid propellant, not significantly different that MX 3rd stage. A wing? Come on. Hypersonic flight? Space Shuttle and other vehicles have been doing it for years. Guidance system? Off the shelf. Pegasus could have been built years ago if anyone had thought of it or had reason to try. > Or hasn't anyone learned from the Shuttle experience? Yes they have. Pegasus is a conservative design, built by private corporations with the goal of making money. Very different from the Shuttle. Now I hope they don't make a liar of me. Bob P. -- Bob Pendleton @ Evans & Sutherland UUCP Address: {decvax,ucbvax,allegra}!decwrl!esunix!bpendlet Alternate: utah-cs!utah-gr!uplherc!esunix!bpendlet I am solely responsible for what I say. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jul 88 19:36:30 GMT From: cfa!cfa250!willner@husc6.harvard.edu (Steve Willner P-316 x57123) Subject: Condensed CANOPUS - May 1988 Here's the condensed CANOPUS for May 1988. There are 9 articles. Eight are given in condensed form and one by title only. Comments in {braces} are from me and are signed {--SW} when they represent personal opinions. The unabridged version went to the mailing list weeks ago. Sorry this is so late, but things have been pretty hectic around here the last month. CANOPUS is published by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics. Send correspondence about its contents to the executive editor, William W. L. Taylor (taylor%trwatd.span@star.stanford.edu; e-mail to canopus@cfa.uucp will probably be forwarded). Send correspondence about business matters to Mr. John Newbauer, AIAA, 1633 Broadway, NY, NY 10019. Although AIAA has copyrighted CANOPUS and registered its name, you are encouraged to distribute CANOPUS widely, either electronically or as printout copies. If you do, however, please send a brief message to Taylor estimating how many others receive copies. CANOPUS is partially supported by the National Space Science Data Center. SPACE SHUTTLE STILL LOOKING AT AUGUST LAUNCH - can880506.txt - 5/10/88 {Title only; shuttle news widely reported elsewhere.} SMALL EXPLORER A.O. RELEASED - can880508.txt - 5/16/88 NASA has released its Announcement of Opportunity for the "Small- Class Explorer Mission" series. Perhaps because the program is intended to develop small payloads in quick order, the 50-plus-page A.O. is quite detailed and restrictive about what can and cannot be done. This broad A.O. is to lead to launches of one or two "Scout- class" Explorers year as budget allows over the next few years. It is open to astrophysics, space physics, and upper atmosphere disciplines, and to proposers in industry, academia, government, and foreign agencies. The research will be "of modest programmatic scope which can be launched within about three years of selection. The program intends to provide a continuing opportunity for quickly implemented flights of small free-flyers to conduct focused investigations which complement major missions, prove new scientific concepts, or make significant contributions to space science in other ways. It is the goal of the program to obtain a flight frequency of at least one flight per year. The scope of the missions is expected to be such that a single principal investigator will have responsibility for an individual investigation." {Instigation of this program is a real accomplishment for Lennard Fisk, Associate Administrator for Space Science, who seems genuinely interested in flying missions and not just running a bureaucracy. Now let's hope he can keep the budget at a level adequate to actually fly and not just build payloads. --SW} The new Scout-class category is defined as a spacecraft and instrument payload costing about $30 million and capable of being launched on a Scout expendable launch vehicle (ELV). Payload mass can vary depending of the orbit to be reached, but generally will be between 100 and 250 kg. Data will be relayed through ground stations and not through the Tracking and Data Relay Satellite System because of the cost of using the latter. {So much for cost savings promised for TDRSS. --SW} SOVIET-AMERICAN COOPERATION IMPROVES - can880501.txt - 5/5/88 Cooperation between the Soviet and American space programs took a major step forward this month with the meeting of two working groups formed last year by an agreement between the two nations. No immediate plans were made for sharing hardware or placing one nation's instruments aboard other's spacecraft -- that will not come until the mid-1990s, the participants indicated -- but joint campaigns are anticipated for existing and currently planned spacecraft. A key example would be stereo X-ray imaging of the solar corona using instruments aboard the American Solar Maximum Mission satellite and aboard the Soviet's Phobos Mars spacecraft that will be launched next year. Cooperation never halted completely, {i.e. after invasion of Afghanistan} with life scientists still sharing data at the working level, and one small U.S. instrument package being flown aboard the Soviets' VEGA probes that flew past Venus and Halley's comet. AO FOR ATTACHED PAYLOADS ON SPACE STATION DUE SOON - CAN880503.TXT - 5/8/888 The Announcement of Opportunity for payloads attached to the manned Space Station should be issued by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration by the end of the month if the remainder of the preparation moves smoothly. Not included in the AO will be payloads for free-flyers (covered in large part by the Earth Observing System AO early this year), or "quick is beautiful" payloads. {As of July 5, I haven't seen the AO, but I may not be on that mailing list.--SW} Two more major AO's are planned for space station -- materials sciences in 1989 and life sciences in 1990. These will focus to a large degree on using multi-purpose facilities that NASA will provide. AROUND THE WORLD IN A BALLOON - can880505.txt - 5/9/88 NASA is soliciting instruments to fly aboard six long-duration balloon flights (LDBF) during the 1991 solar maximum period according to a research announcement (NRA-88-OSAA-04) released May 6. The program is intended for instruments which cannot observe adequately from the ground or during short-duration balloon or rocket flights, and "which are expected to advance our understanding of the solar energetic phenomena in a way that will not otherwise be possible until the subsequent solar maximum in the year 2002." Experimental LBDF flights to date have lasted 12 to 22 days going around the globe, and 6 to 12 days going from Australia to South America. Payloads can be up to 1,400 kg at altitudes to 40 km. Up to 8 to 12 hours of observations a day are possible. SHUTTLE-C COULD HELP SPACE STATION - can880507.txt - 5/10/88 An unmanned cargo version of the Space Shuttle could cut several months from the assembly time for Space Station by carrying more than double the payload of the manned Shuttle, according to its study manager. Shuttle-C looks much the current Space Shuttle but for wings and vertical stabilizer which are lacking, and windows on the forward fuselage. It would use the same boosters and tank, and would carry its cargo in a strongback sitting above an engine module identical to the Shuttle's boattail section. "CODE E" ADVISORY COMMITTEES TO MERGE - can880504.txt - 5/8/88 NASA's three science advisory committees will merge into a single body with three branches this summer. {Committtees are:} o Life Science Advisory Committee, o Space and Earth Sciences Advisory Committee, o Space Applications Committee, NASA DIRECTORY - can880502.txt - 5/8/88 NASA's main number is 202-453-1000. {Long list deleted; if enough demand, I'll post the list separately.} ASTRONAUT SELECTION GOES TO TWO-YEAR CYCLE - can880509.txt - 5/16/88 NASA will reopen the astronaut selection process starting July 1, 1989, for a "class" to be selected in January 1990, and will continue selections every two years. This will ease the demands on NASA resources for selection and training while maintaining flight crew levels. NASA has selected astronauts in 1978, '80, '84, '85 and '87. Applications may be obtained from: Astronaut Selection Office -- Code AHX Johnson Space Center Houston, TX 77058 -- Steve Willner Phone 617-495-7123 Bitnet: willner@cfa 60 Garden St. FTS: 830-7123 UUCP: willner@cfa Cambridge, MA 02138 USA Internet: willner@cfa.harvard.edu ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jul 88 20:00:44 GMT From: devvax!jplpro!leem@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Lee Mellinger) Subject: Re: NASA news - Seasat In article <21900022@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kenny@m.cs.uiuc.edu writes: | |/* Written 2:45 pm Jun 29, 1988 by wooding@daisy.UUCP in m.cs.uiuc.edu:sci.space */ | |An aside on SeaSat 1 -- The satellite failed some time before the end |of its expected service life. A persistent rumor states that it was |intentionally disabled, possibly by aiming sensors at the Sun; the |purported explanation was that it was able to detect the wakes of |ballistic-missile submarines. | |Kevin Kenny UUCP: {ihnp4,pur-ee,convex}!uiucdcs!kenny The investigation into the failure of Seasat assigned the probable cause to a short across the slip rings that transfer the power generated by the solar cells to the power buss where the solar panels rotate. They attributed this to the poor design of the slip rings that had the various voltages (48 rings) alternating plus and minus, creating the maximun potential to catastrophic electical short. It was shown that there was a galling problem (in the ring bearings I believe) that created metal slivers. These slivers more than likely shorted the main power buss at the rings. The telemetery showed large voltage and current excursions in the milliseconds prior to loss of signal from the spacecraft. I too have heard unconfirmed rumors of the possibility that SSBM wakes could be seen in the radar imaging data. I was clear on the images that I saw that surface wakes were very visible. The spacecraft lasted only 90 days in a planned life of one year. I have had people tell me that they were not unhappy that the spacecraft had shut down because of the enourmous quantity of data that was pouring in. Lee . -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- |Lee F. Mellinger Jet Propulsion Laboratory - NASA| |4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109 818/393-0516 FTS 977-0516 | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |UUCP: {ames!cit-vax,psivax}!elroy!jpl-devvax!jplpro!leem | |ARPA: jplpro!leem!@cit-vax.ARPA -or- leem@jplpro.JPL.NASA.GOV | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V8 #286 *******************