Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from holmes.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Wed, 22 Feb 89 03:16:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Wed, 22 Feb 89 03:16:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V9 #253 SPACE Digest Volume 9 : Issue 253 Today's Topics: NASA Prediction Bulletins Re: 1992 moon base An integrated space program for the world. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Feb 89 17:01:25 GMT From: tkelso@blackbird.afit.af.mil (TS Kelso) Subject: NASA Prediction Bulletins The most current orbital elements from the NASA Prediction Bulletins are carried on the Celestial RCP/M, (513) 427-0674, and are updated several times weekly. Documentation and tracking software are also available on this system. As a service to the satellite user community, the most current of these elements are uploaded weekly to sci.space. This week's elements are provided below. The Celestial RCP/M may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, or 2400 baud using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. - Current NASA Prediction Bulletins #460 - Alouette 1 1 00424U 89 44.94317536 0.00000253 29596-3 0 1842 2 00424 80.4601 47.3096 0024740 86.9070 273.4948 13.67071879315978 LAGEOS 1 08820U 89 44.85693578 0.00000000 10000-3 0 6501 2 08820 109.8120 187.8396 0044835 342.0440 17.8311 6.38664365 42750 GOES 2 1 10061U 89 40.12261671 -.00000007 0 2264 2 10061 6.8495 69.8204 0004011 92.8962 267.2826 1.00264485 4099 GPS-0001 1 10684U 89 42.80828060 0.00000012 0 312 2 10684 63.5192 104.7246 0106250 198.7324 160.9514 2.00562078 66018 GPS-0002 1 10893U 89 40.76946768 -.00000028 0 9545 2 10893 64.5386 345.6155 0148729 28.1924 332.6098 2.00560719 78793 GOES 3 1 10953U 89 43.16631600 0.00000088 10000-3 0 5798 2 10953 5.7189 72.4632 0006376 250.4811 109.5564 1.00278075 1389 SeaSat 1 1 10967U 89 36.98613259 0.00001604 61426-3 0 748 2 10967 108.0148 17.4644 0001953 302.2947 57.8003 14.34240460555273 GPS-0003 1 11054U 89 40.58636028 -.00000028 0 9832 2 11054 64.0954 342.1208 0051923 117.5249 243.0079 2.00560296 75805 GPS-0004 1 11141U 89 42.68943192 0.00000012 0 962 2 11141 63.4923 104.5956 0058585 317.7186 41.9021 2.00554270 74543 NOAA 6 1 11416U 89 38.56745297 0.00000905 39887-3 0 8053 2 11416 98.5028 39.4495 0012498 123.4994 236.7388 14.25446272499430 Solar Max 1 11703U 89 45.12151046 0.00047049 11347-2 0 8493 2 11703 28.5005 60.1128 0002094 138.0054 222.1107 15.39854491500771 GPS-0006 1 11783U 89 40.64907892 -.00000028 0 8433 2 11783 63.9035 341.7936 0139033 62.3184 299.0901 2.00566038 64442 GOES 4 1 11964U 89 31.83054292 -.00000125 10000-3 0 505 2 11964 5.1628 75.4889 0035056 93.1723 267.2187 0.99232053 679 GOES 5 1 12472U 89 43.01455851 -.00000248 10000-3 0 6938 2 12472 2.2226 82.0044 0004572 321.8641 38.3466 1.00283968 27357 UOSAT 1 1 12888U 89 45.05722778 0.00053918 11674-2 0 4521 2 12888 97.5800 92.1548 0002151 185.2805 174.8760 15.44274521409893 Meteor 2-08 1 13113U 89 38.80603343 0.00000279 24167-3 0 6227 2 13113 82.5418 161.5873 0016585 66.1995 294.0891 13.83931088347349 Salyut 7 1 13138U 89 44.54814483 0.00018273 50107-3 0 4393 2 13138 51.6098 201.0171 0000795 304.5016 55.5987 15.37328816389147 Meteor 2-09 1 13718U 89 44.97562209 0.00000370 18950-3 0 7471 2 13718 81.2442 42.0704 0056244 350.8032 9.2096 14.13081586318153 GOES 6 1 14050U 89 39.99027627 0.00000121 0 9094 2 14050 0.9754 84.0818 0000456 288.9810 346.8944 1.00264655 5324 OSCAR 10 1 14129U 89 43.29488920 -.00000016 10000-3 0 3774 2 14129 26.6278 280.4398 6053625 17.0180 356.7274 2.05880749 14640 GPS-0008 1 14189U 89 40.74036426 0.00000011 0 6050 2 14189 63.1490 103.3440 0133449 214.6235 144.5770 2.00572908 40881 Meteor 2-10 1 14452U 89 34.08600364 0.00000492 20705-3 0 6894 2 14452 81.1615 67.9285 0096160 122.6355 238.4146 14.21984577273483 LandSat 5 1 14780U 89 44.57957422 -.00003132 -69124-3 0 6493 2 14780 98.1840 109.1045 0001728 225.6899 134.4266 14.57091272263567 UOSAT 2 1 14781U 89 40.10736581 0.00002017 40283-3 0 4043 2 14781 98.0213 102.5744 0013880 8.9875 351.1659 14.62939048263812 LDEF 1 14898U 89 44.45305438 0.00030222 66601-3 0 7557 2 14898 28.5093 323.0156 0002517 294.9697 65.1202 15.42525816272275 GPS-0009 1 15039U 89 40.79533231 0.00000011 0 6236 2 15039 62.8885 102.6564 0015143 281.1002 78.8080 2.00564846 34169 Meteor 2-11 1 15099U 89 38.57743143 0.00000265 23019-3 0 9233 2 15099 82.5306 109.4678 0011857 239.0854 120.9144 13.83605778232194 GPS-0010 1 15271U 89 41.19412643 -.00000028 0 5713 2 15271 63.3989 341.6070 0099601 318.1461 41.1053 2.00562769 31281 Cosmos 1602 1 15331U 89 44.57556338 0.00003274 48333-3 0 9764 2 15331 82.5368 92.4974 0026236 124.3335 236.0386 14.74795902235996 NOAA 9 1 15427U 89 41.43112783 0.00001069 60598-3 0 3338 2 15427 99.1327 25.9792 0014881 312.5249 47.4947 14.11821401214560 Meteor 2-12 1 15516U 89 41.08309003 0.00000126 10316-3 0 503 2 15516 82.5306 45.8499 0017846 109.3436 250.9654 13.84030867203472 Cosmos 1686 1 16095U 89 44.74312055 0.00055146 14819-2 0 1664 2 16095 51.6101 200.0700 0001141 277.7081 82.1905 15.37365401389173 GPS-0011 1 16129U 89 41.34990022 0.00000012 0 2961 2 16129 63.6714 103.1894 0115548 150.5484 210.1806 2.00565329 24494 Meteor 3-1 1 16191U 89 39.65228076 0.00000043 10000-3 0 8037 2 16191 82.5509 326.6335 0018441 260.7677 99.1415 13.16859281158603 Meteor 2-13 1 16408U 89 41.75233160 0.00000266 22967-3 0 4603 2 16408 82.5368 320.1987 0015658 300.3197 59.6420 13.84117008158060 Mir 1 16609U 89 44.56559894 0.00063569 49028-3 0 6911 2 16609 51.6221 266.8741 0011774 270.7082 89.2202 15.71251869171851 SPOT 1 1 16613U 89 45.90742901 -.00004446 -20833-2 0 3637 2 16613 98.7110 122.2633 0001466 122.5299 237.5650 14.20037711 67345 Meteor 2-14 1 16735U 89 41.84631399 0.00000253 21787-3 0 2773 2 16735 82.5372 346.8758 0015664 10.3925 349.7569 13.83848906136984 Cosmos 1766 1 16881U 89 44.71944020 0.00006258 93404-3 0 5186 2 16881 82.5272 152.0484 0024370 139.2615 221.0666 14.74492490137096 EGP 1 16908U 89 38.17532047 -.00000033 38697-4 0 1176 2 16908 50.0133 337.7587 0011308 16.5812 343.5388 12.44375026113221 FO-12 1 16909U 89 38.07742442 -.00000025 10000-3 0 1299 2 16909 50.0179 338.2722 0011061 13.5524 346.5603 12.44397497113209 NOAA 10 1 16969U 89 41.58262838 0.00000786 36667-3 0 1909 2 16969 98.6510 74.4169 0012704 257.6903 102.3104 14.22804260125939 Meteor 2-15 1 17290U 89 36.98407380 0.00000300 26194-3 0 2219 2 17290 82.4678 259.0124 0012387 271.8885 88.0889 13.83664810105477 GOES 7 1 17561U 89 32.87866317 -.00000103 10000-3 0 2270 2 17561 0.0936 256.3952 0004029 308.3915 155.2428 0.99988189 408 Kvant 1 17845U 89 44.75640291 0.00091847 70301-3 0 6690 2 17845 51.6213 265.8993 0012369 268.9986 90.9466 15.71272778171882 RS-10/11 1 18129U 89 44.85341954 0.00000188 19625-3 0 6691 2 18129 82.9304 329.2615 0012789 39.3810 320.8312 13.71941710 82483 Cosmos 1870 1 18225U 89 45.90675705 0.00173857 14484-4 29048-3 0 8927 2 18225 71.8868 23.7179 0009502 248.3828 111.4336 16.02688217 91682 Meteor 2-16 1 18312U 89 41.77348822 0.00000364 32140-3 0 2413 2 18312 82.5593 319.7003 0011661 186.0118 174.0910 13.83420134 75038 Meteor 2-17 1 18820U 89 42.03198358 0.00000214 18239-3 0 846 2 18820 82.5384 20.7952 0015557 263.9626 95.9766 13.84090209 52233 AO-13 1 19216U 89 21.67169254 -.00000109 10000-3 0 297 2 19216 57.3622 222.9543 6646232 197.5144 118.7893 2.09700975 4665 Meteor 3-2 1 19336U 89 39.05906047 0.00000391 10000-2 0 1269 2 19336 82.5365 267.0285 0015534 141.7355 218.4817 13.16854155 25914 NOAA 11 1 19531U 89 34.31541485 0.00000593 35193-3 0 434 2 19531 98.9253 339.0838 0011131 251.6699 108.2990 14.10792410 18597 Soyuz TM-7 1 19660U 89 44.75633637 0.00160737 12160-2 0 825 2 19660 51.6257 265.9009 0011624 269.2708 90.2967 15.71301281 12475 Cosmos 1984 1 19705U 89 19.40372789 0.01577637 41422-4 30625-3 0 813 2 19705 62.8261 186.2234 0062393 117.7652 243.1376 16.25470591 5424 1988 111A 1 19710U 89 21.35764026 -.00000322 10000-3 0 296 2 19710 0.5294 261.0148 0000533 95.1335 3.8189 1.00268307 331 Cosmos 1986 1 19734U 89 30.04555172 0.00231193 10296-4 15848-3 0 635 2 19734 64.7693 165.7278 0036026 181.2863 178.8084 16.14732981 5107 1989 001A 1 19749U 89 40.54122425 0.00000021 10000-3 0 386 2 19749 64.8623 174.9880 0005168 283.2404 76.6691 2.13102189 665 1989 001B 1 19750U 89 40.59991529 0.00000021 10000-3 0 450 2 19750 64.8828 174.9892 0004542 255.2470 104.6752 2.13102350 664 1989 001C 1 19751U 89 40.53193346 0.00000021 10000-3 0 377 2 19751 64.8741 174.9866 0009234 258.6758 101.1945 2.13155878 668 1989 001F 1 19754U 89 32.99756385 0.00000021 10000-3 0 144 2 19754 64.8732 175.2408 0014280 316.8939 42.9607 2.13419920 480 1989 002A 1 19756U 89 41.81977810 0.00493286 -55157-5 17108-3 0 500 2 19756 82.5580 278.7041 0086949 32.8167 328.0352 16.16087723 4716 1989 004A 1 19765U 89 44.22151979 0.00000128 10000-3 0 286 2 19765 1.4438 276.4901 0003651 356.4840 3.0258 1.00264800 193 1989 005A 1 19769U 89 42.02353414 0.00000882 34596-3 0 265 2 19769 74.0541 340.2315 0024730 299.0647 60.8020 14.30583382 2203 1989 005B 1 19770U 89 42.90700473 -.00004118 -15071-2 0 191 2 19770 74.0507 338.5243 0015484 328.8222 31.2005 14.32770049 2332 1989 006A 1 19772U 89 43.51983105 0.00000183 10000-3 0 99 2 19772 0.2369 258.4062 0006081 219.8029 241.8347 1.00272433 158 1989 006B 1 19773U 89 42.75943042 -.00000027 10000-3 0 167 2 19773 8.3499 307.9613 7195719 190.1231 138.1046 2.25483847 362 1989 007A 1 19774U 89 46.20619091 0.00613508 34653-4 29455-3 0 541 2 19774 64.7370 284.8815 0113057 77.1577 284.0702 16.07515788 2850 1989 004F 1 19776U 89 43.50664381 -.00000081 10000-3 0 115 2 19776 1.4563 276.1442 0024560 312.8420 46.8366 0.97995075 198 1988 095F 1 19777U 89 39.71855553 -.00000018 10000-3 0 117 2 19777 1.2365 275.1581 0013382 74.5811 285.3772 0.97936958 147 1989 008A 1 19783U 89 45.64675623 0.00049608 38193-3 0 133 2 19783 51.6249 261.3422 0012480 278.9604 80.9314 15.71385145 687 1989 008B 1 19784U 89 43.13987149 0.33902438 60334-4 58774-3 0 138 2 19784 51.6156 273.8930 0010476 116.6000 243.6208 16.47040844 293 1989 009A 1 19785U 89 43.59936485 0.00000004 0 75 2 19785 82.6199 34.8128 0013440 29.3534 330.8323 12.63999939 250 1989 009B 1 19786U 89 42.25476813 0.00000004 0 38 2 19786 82.6222 35.6708 0003056 69.1217 291.0208 12.61810827 79 1989 009C 1 19787U 89 45.26563552 0.00000004 0 41 2 19787 82.6132 33.7535 0006476 32.9112 327.2381 12.62575400 450 1989 009D 1 19788U 89 44.23389092 0.00000004 0 98 2 19788 82.6193 34.4111 0010090 21.8581 338.2911 12.63355267 336 1989 009E 1 19789U 89 43.83582947 0.00000004 0 43 2 19789 82.6112 34.6542 0016583 23.8898 336.2980 12.64581394 274 1989 009F 1 19790U 89 42.56940905 0.00000004 0 46 2 19790 82.6191 35.4655 0020456 21.6471 338.5484 12.65339160 125 1989 009G 1 19791U 89 42.01881514 0.00000004 0 25 2 19791 82.6151 35.8211 0035504 203.4265 156.5248 12.54810298 46 1989 010A 1 19792U 89 45.89238967 0.00043504 39911-3 0 101 2 19792 82.3561 56.4426 0038582 113.7752 246.6105 15.66542947 669 1989 010B 1 19793U 89 43.47571253 0.25188219 -65537-5 28836-3 0 109 2 19793 82.3279 58.9440 0014880 82.4579 278.7400 16.49383211 284 GPS-0012 1 19796U 89 45.70000000 0.00000077 10000-3 0 38 2 19796 62.9000 159.2340 7342829 318.2800 347.2830 2.03290826 12 1989 011B 1 19797U 89 45.61927342 0.00588667 89166-5 12589-2 0 53 2 19797 62.7833 158.0372 0282530 119.6505 243.3142 15.54646993 75 1989 011C 1 19798U 89 46.13356907 0.01190595 35716-4 14371-2 0 57 2 19798 62.8369 156.0180 0308322 120.9128 242.1933 15.56157148 166 -- Dr TS Kelso Asst Professor of Space Operations tkelso@blackbird.afit.af.mil Air Force Institute of Technology ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 89 17:37:46 GMT From: mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: 1992 moon base In article <703@uceng.UC.EDU> dmocsny@uceng.UC.EDU (daniel mocsny) writes: >... We can't just dump people in cans and expect >them to huddle heroically while we try to build a reliable launcher to >get them back home. We have to give them the tools to not simply >survive on the moon, but to take it. "We can't just dump people in covered wagons and expect them to huddle heroically while we try to build a railroad to bring them back." (Only half :-)) Agreed that a lunar colony has to have enough power over its environment to do something practical rather than just huddling. (If all you can do is huddle and wait for the return flight, what you have is a base, not a colony.) It is a mistake to assume that massive sophistication is needed for this, though. It is also a mistake to assume that 100.00% probability of success *must* be assured before making the attempt. (NASA has done spaceflight a huge disservice by propagating the myth that everything can be planned in advance and there is no reason for anything to ever go wrong. In the long run, the exploration of space will be like the exploration of Earth some time ago: a slightly risky business that occasionally kills people and is *expected* to do so, and thus does not stop for agonizing reappraisals each time that happens.) -- The Earth is our mother; | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology our nine months are up. | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 89 00:52:30 GMT From: markh@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Mark William Hopkins) Subject: An integrated space program for the world. I believe that the time has long passed for us to look at what we are going to do in space in the long term. Why? Because if we keep on pursuing things in the typically myopic way we are at present then it will be impossible to envision or carry out any kind of truly major project. We need a long term goal to work ourselves toward bit by bit much as what was done in the 1960's but on a FAR LARGER scale. Who do I mean by "WE"? If you've been under the impression that I'm discussing or criticizing the American space program, you are totally mistaken. It's the *Soviet* space program, the *European* space program, the Chinese space program AND the American one. It is the fact that to pursue anything of major consequence, we need to eliminate the vestiges of nationalism that pervade our reach into space and develop a WORLD SPACE PROGRAM. By WE, I mean the entire planet. As you know, the time for such a proposal is ripe with what is going on in the current political arena. In fact, it is the Soviets who are proposing to carry out cooperative ventures (maybe with ulterior motives). But this proposal is far less ambitious than what I have in mind. The space program I propose is an extremelly long-term engineering project that is to be carried out both on the Earth and Mars. Its purposes are the following: (I) To reform the food production system on the African continent, (II) To reclaim the Sahara. (III) To provide a concrete symbol of world unity and a common purpose to bind that unity together, (IV) To create additional living space to alleviate the overpopulation problem. (V) To explore, colonize and terraform Mars. To carry it out will require the cooperation of most of the world's nations, and this time may be the best opportunity for such a prospect. The first two phases of this project are carried out in parallel. One on Earth, and one in space. The Earthbound venture will concern itself with the long-standing, but never implemented, goal of reclaiming the Sahara desert for living space and agriculture. This in itself is a major engineering project that can only be accomplished with the sustained cooperation of the nations in Northern Africa, and the superpowers to provide the logistical support. The cost is high, but there will certainly be a large number of people to devote their time and labor in this major investment. And the payoffs are potentially huge. The spacebound phase will concentrate on carrying out the exploration of Mars. I have not thought out what this entails, but it would be essential to integrate our present Space Station project, the Soviet space station and whatever reserves are available into this program for the sake of continuity, if nothing else. The exploration will carry human beings to Mars for the first time. The goal of the exploration is to gain the experience necessary to develop a technology for inter-planetary travel and ultimately to develop prototype stations on Mars itself. The Sahara project, besides providing obvious benefits to the Earth, and besides giving us a concrete symbol of world unity will provide us with practical experience in TERRAFORMING large inhospitable environments. That, above all else, is the essential reason for integrating this into the space program. Both of these subprograms tie nicely into major the long-term goal, which is to colonize Mars. The question is: are we ready to pursue something this big? I think the time has come. ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V9 #253 *******************