Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from holmes.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Fri, 5 May 89 03:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0YMIdXy00UkZF1yk4k@andrew.cmu.edu> Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Fri, 5 May 89 03:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SPACE Digest V9 #409 SPACE Digest Volume 9 : Issue 409 Today's Topics: STS-30 SCHEDULE Re: SPACE Digest V9 #398 Re: Private spending for space science Giotto (was:"Re: Some comments on comments...") ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 May 89 00:24:16 GMT From: millard@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Millard Edgerton) Subject: STS-30 SCHEDULE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STS-30 TV PLAN VALID MAY 2 1758Z LAUNCH DAY PAGE 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDT GMT MET OPERATION-EVENT-REMARKS RESPONSIBLE ----- ----- -------- ---------------------------------------- ------------ 12:48 17:48 0:00:00 **************************************** **************************************** LAUNCH OF STS-30 FROM KSC **************************************** **************************************** 13:05 18:05 0:00:17 BEGIN OTV LAUNCH VIDEO FROM KSC. KSC-NF-TV (TIME = 35:00) 14:20 19:20 0:01:32 KSC POST-LAUNCH PRESS CONFERENCE. KSC-PAO 15:20 20:20 0:02:32 KSC SWITCH NASA SELECT OFF GE DOMSAT. KSC-NF-TV 15:20 20:20 0:02:32 BEGIN NASA SELECT TELEVISION HOUSTON TV PROGRAMMING FROM JSC VIA GE DOMSAT. 15:41 20:41 0:02:53 AOS HAWAII FOR DOWNLINK OF TV02 HOUSTON TV MAGELLAN PRE-DEPLOY ACTIVITIES. (ORBIT 3) 15:50 20:50 0:03:02 LOS HAWAII. 16:00 21:00 0:03:12 BEGIN MULTILOCATION CHANGE OF SHIFT JSC-PAO PRESS CONFERENCE. (LEE BRISCOE, ASCENT FLIGHT DIRECTOR) 18:53 23:53 0:06:05 AOS HAWAII FOR DOWNLINK OF TV02 HOUSTON TV MAGELLAN PRE-DEPLOY ACTIVITIES. (ORBIT 5) 19:01 0:01 0:06:13 LOS HAWAII. 19:06 0:06 0:06:18 MAGELLAN DEPLOY (NOT TELEVISED LIVE). (ORBIT 5) 20:58 1:58 0:08:10 AOS TDRE FOR VTR PLAYBACK OF TV02 HOUSTON TV MAGELLAN DEPLOY. (ORBIT 6) 21:13 2:13 0:08:25 LOS TDRE. 22:45 3:45 0:09:57 JSC SWITCH NASA SELECT OFF GE DOMSAT. HOUSTON TV NASA SELECT AVAILABLE TO USERS OF JSC. 22:45 3:45 0:09:57 KSC SWITCH NASA SELECT ONTO GE DOMSAT. KSC-NF-TV 22:45 3:45 0:09:57 LAUNCH REPLAYS. KSC-NF-TV 23:18 4:18 0:10:30 BEGIN CREW SLEEP PERIOD. 23:45 4:45 0:10:57 KSC SWITCH NASA SELECT OFF GE DOMSAT. KSC-NF-TV 23:45 4:45 0:10:57 JSC SWITCH NASA SELECT ONTO GE DOMSAT. HOUSTON TV ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STS-30 TV PLAN VALID MAY 2 1758Z LAUNCH DAY PAGE 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDT GMT MET OPERATION-EVENT-REMARKS RESPONSIBLE ----- ----- -------- ---------------------------------------- ------------ 23:45 4:45 0:10:57 BEGIN MULTILOCATION CHANGE OF SHIFT JSC-PAO PRESS CONFERENCE. (MILT HEFLIN, ORBIT 2 FLIGHT DIRECTOR) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STS-30 TV PLAN VALID MAY 2 1758Z MAY 5 PAGE 3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDT GMT MET OPERATION-EVENT-REMARKS RESPONSIBLE ----- ----- -------- ---------------------------------------- ------------ 7:18 12:18 0:18:30 CREW WAKE UP. 7:40 12:40 0:18:52 BEGIN MULTILOCATION CHANGE OF SHIFT JSC-PAO PRESS CONFERENCE. (BILL REEVES, PLANNING FLIGHT DIRECTOR) 9:00 14:00 0:20:12 REPLAY OF STS-30 FLT DAY 1 SHUTTLE TV. JOHNSON TV (ORBIT 14) 10:36 15:36 0:21:48 AOS TDRW FOR DOWNLINK OF TV04 HOUSTON TV MIDDECK ACTIVITIES (FEA). (ORBIT 15) 10:51 15:51 0:22:03 LOS TDRW. 12:13 17:13 0:23:25 AOS TDRW FOR VTR PLAYBACK OF TV02 HOUSTON TV MAGELLAN DEPLOY. (ORBIT 16) 12:28 17:28 0:23:40 LOS TDRW. 13:49 18:49 1:01:01 AOS TDRW FOR DOWNLINK OF TV03 HOUSTON TV PAYLOAD BAY VIEWS (MLE). (ORBIT 17) 14:04 19:04 1:01:16 LOS TDRW. 15:40 20:40 1:02:52 BEGIN MULTILOCATION CHANGE OF SHIFT JSC-PAO PRESS CONFERENCE. (RON DITTEMORE, ORBIT 1 FLIGHT DIRECTOR) 18:39 23:39 1:05:51 AOS TDRW FOR DOWNLINK OF TV07 HOUSTON TV MIDDECK ACTIVITIES (DTO 630) (ORBIT 20) 18:54 23:54 1:06:06 LOS TDRW. 22:48 3:48 1:10:00 BEGIN CREW SLEEP. 23:40 4:40 1:10:52 BEGIN MULTILOCATION CHANGE OF SHIFT JSC-PAO PRESS CONFERENCE. (MILT HEFLIN, ORBIT 2 FLIGHT DIRECTOR) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STS-30 TV PLAN VALID MAY 2 1758Z MAY 6 PAGE 4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDT GMT MET OPERATION-EVENT-REMARKS RESPONSIBLE ----- ----- -------- ---------------------------------------- ------------ 6:48 11:48 1:18:00 CREW WAKE UP. 7:40 12:40 1:18:52 BEGIN MULTILOCATION CHANGE OF SHIFT JSC-PAO PRESS CONFERENCE. (BILL REEVES, PLANNING FLIGHT DIRECTOR) 9:00 14:00 1:20:12 REPLAY OF STS-30 FLT DAY 2 SHUTTLE TV. JOHNSON TV (ORBIT 30) 10:49 15:49 1:22:01 AOS TDRW FOR DOWNLINK OF TV03 HOUSTON TV PAYLOAD BAY VIEWS (MLE). (ORBIT 31) 11:04 16:04 1:22:16 LOS TDRW. 15:40 20:40 2:02:52 BEGIN MULTILOCATION CHANGE OF SHIFT JSC-PAO PRESS CONFERENCE. (RON DITTEMORE, ORBIT 1 FLIGHT DIRECTOR) 16:33 21:33 2:03:45 AOS TDRE FOR DOWNLINK OF TV04 HOUSTON TV MIDDECK ACTIVITIES (FEA). (ORBIT 35) 16:48 21:48 2:04:00 LOS TDRE. 22:18 3:18 2:09:30 BEGIN CREW SLEEP PERIOD. 23:10 4:10 2:10:22 BEGIN MULTILOCATION CHANGE OF SHIFT JSC-PAO PRESS CONFERENCE. (MILT HEFLIN, ORBIT 2 FLIGHT DIRECTOR) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STS-30 TV PLAN VALID MAY 2 1758Z MAY 7 PAGE 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDT GMT MET OPERATION-EVENT-REMARKS RESPONSIBLE ----- ----- -------- ---------------------------------------- ------------ 6:18 11:18 2:17:30 CREW WAKE UP. 7:10 12:10 2:18:22 BEGIN MULTILOCATION CHANGE OF SHIFT JSC-PAO PRESS CONFERENCE. (BILL REEVES, PLANNING FLIGHT DIRECTOR) 9:00 14:00 2:20:12 REPLAY OF STS-30 FLT DAY 3 SHUTTLE TV. JOHNSON TV (ORBIT 45) 9:25 14:25 2:20:37 AOS TDRW FOR DOWNLINK OF TV06 HOUSTON TV CREW CONFERENCE. (ORBIT 46) 9:40 14:40 2:20:52 LOS TDRW. 15:10 20:10 3:02:22 BEGIN MULTILOCATION CHANGE OF SHIFT JSC-PAO PRESS CONFERENCE. (RON DITTEMORE, ORBIT 1 FLIGHT DIRECTOR) 20:00 1:00 3:07:12 REPLAY OF STS-30 FLT DAY 4 SHUTTLE TV. JOHNSON TV (ORBIT 53) 21:48 2:48 3:09:00 BEGIN CREW SLEEP PERIOD. 22:40 3:40 3:09:52 BEGIN MULTILOCATION CHANGE OF SHIFT JSC-PAO PRESS CONFERENCE. (MILT HEFLIN, ORBIT 2 FLIGHT DIRECTOR) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STS-30 TV PLAN VALID MAY 2 1758Z LANDING DAY PAGE 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDT GMT MET OPERATION-EVENT-REMARKS RESPONSIBLE ----- ----- -------- ---------------------------------------- ------------ 5:48 10:48 3:17:00 CREW WAKE UP. 6:40 11:40 3:17:52 BEGIN MULTILOCATION CHANGE OF SHIFT JSC-PAO PRESS CONFERENCE. (BILL REEVES, PLANNING FLIGHT DIRECTOR) 11:45 16:45 3:22:57 JSC SWITCH NASA SELECT OFF GE DOMSAT. HOUSTON TV NASA SELECT AVAILABLE TO USERS AT JSC. 11:45 16:45 3:22:57 DFRF SWITCH NASA SELECT ONTO GE DOMSAT. DFRF-TV 13:44 18:44 4:00:56 **************************************** **************************************** LANDING AT EDWARDS **************************************** **************************************** 15:15 20:15 4:02:27 BEGIN POST-LANDING PRESS CONFERENCE DFRF-TV FROM DFRF. END OF MESSAGE *************************************************************************** * Intelligent people talk about ideas. | Standard disclaimer(s) * * Average people talk about things. | Millard J. Edgerton, WA6VZZ * * Small people talk about other people. | millard@eos.arc.nasa.gov * * -o- | -o- * * Employed by Sterling Software at NASA Ames Research Center. * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 89 06:25:23 GMT From: unmvax!polyslo!jmckerna@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (John McKernan) Subject: Re: SPACE Digest V9 #398 In article <609778297.amon@H.GP.CS.CMU.EDU> Dale.Amon@H.GP.CS.CMU.EDU writes: >I write: >> There might be a few private efforts like those refered to above (F&P spent >>$100,000 over five years, how much space R&D can you do for that much money?). >> I don't doubt that such efforts would get orders of magnitude more out of >> the money they spend. > >I would point out that (assuming F&P pans out) they accomplished for >$100,000 what governments around the world have spent up in the range >of $10^11 on. So how much space development can be accomplished for >$100K? Who knows? 5 years ago, how much fusion research would you have >said could be done for $100K? What an excellent and practical idea (kind of like anarchism/libertarianism). Let's halt all this wasteful spending on space research right now and wait around for a couple of unknown and brilliant technology hackers to figure out whatever it is we need to know to start the space age. Think of all that wasteful R&D money we'll save. John L. McKernan. Student, Computer Science, Cal Poly S.L.O. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The future is rude and pushy. It won't wait for us to solve today's problems before it butts in with tomorrow's. ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 89 19:56:25 GMT From: agate!web%garnet.berkeley.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (William Baxter) Subject: Re: Private spending for space science In article <8905021739.AA19290@cmr.icst.nbs.gov>, roberts@CMR (John Roberts) writes: >It could be argued that nothing that doesn't promise a near-term profit >should be attempted, but I (and many others) happen to feel that there are >a considerable number of possible space-related projects which could have >a substantial benefit to humanity that one would not expect to be reflected >in a profit by the organization that undertakes them. > Many of these projects >are affordable from the viewpoint of the government, but not from the view >of private industry, since they would reflect a net loss larger than an >individual corporation is normally willing to take. The only question is whether private groups will attempt these projects. There is no doubt that they have the money. How much did Pepsi spend on the last America's Cup "defense?" How much did Tang recover in sales from its space commercials? What is the cost of a minimal Lunar Polar Orbiter? >Can you think of a plausible scenario by which private industry would >undertake to send sophisticated probes to Venus or Jupiter at its own >expense in the next 20 years? How many of these missions will survive at NASA when competing for funds with shuttle operations and the space station? I do not advocate leaving all space research to private corporations. But development and operations can and should be done by private industry. A look at the NASA budget reveals that the portion of the budget devoted to research is miniscule when compared with that devoted to development and operations. This does keep their contractors happy. William Baxter ARPA: web@{garnet,brahms,math}.Berkeley.EDU UUCP: {sun,dual,decwrl,decvax,hplabs,...}!ucbvax!garnet!web ------------------------------ Date: 1 May 89 19:29:14 GMT From: mcvax!hp4nl!botter!ark.cs.vu.nl!fjvwing@uunet.uu.net (Wingerde van FJ) Subject: Giotto (was:"Re: Some comments on comments...") In article <1989Apr29.234653.24350@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: |In article <570@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprmd@prism.gatech.EDU (Matthew DeLuca) writes: |>... As a matter of fact, |>there is only *one* probe out there doing *anything*...Voyager. |You're forgetting Pioneer Venus and Giotto, at a minimum. Giotto is functional? Please forgive me my ignorance, but what is it studying after the Halley mission? Is it still returning data? Of what?What are it's mission plans? What Disclaimer? +---- ----+ / / I'll plead temporary insanity anyway. /__ / / / FJ!! / <__/ o o ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V9 #409 *******************