Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from beak.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Tue, 12 Dec 89 01:34:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4ZV9jyq00VcJ4Lc043@andrew.cmu.edu> Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Tue, 12 Dec 89 01:34:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V10 #338 SPACE Digest Volume 10 : Issue 338 Today's Topics: NASA Headline News for 12/11/89 (Forwarded) Re: Manned vs Unmanned Mission to Mars Re: Multi-national (MANNED) Mars Mission Work at KSC generates $1.24 billion boost to Florida's economy (Forwarded) Re: manned v unmanned (exploration of Mars) Re: V10 No.327 and inflammatory ephithets Re: Payload Status for 12/11/89 (Forwarded) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Dec 89 20:23:07 GMT From: trident.arc.nasa.gov!yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee) Subject: NASA Headline News for 12/11/89 (Forwarded) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, December 11, 1989 Audio: 202/755-1788 ----------------------------------------------------------------- This is NASA Headline News for Monday, December 11.... Preparations continue for a space shuttle Columbia launch on December 18. Workers are loading hypergolic fuels today and tomorrow so the pad will be closed to all but necessary personnel. On Wednesday, the pad will be reopened with ordnance work scheduled. Friday, launch personnel will pick up the count at 4:00 P.M., Eastern time,. At the T-43 hour mark. Concern about the possibility of some loose tile on Columbia has been dropped following a pad inspection. The Columbia crew is scheduled to arrive at the Cape at 7:00 P.M., Friday. The Washington Post reported today that there has been some friction between NASA and the administration's National Space Council on how best to proceed with the civilian space program. But, a December 1 meeting between the NASA Administrator and the Director of the council helped to clear the air. The Post quotes Administrator Truly as saying, "NASA and the space council are going to get along fine". Part of the reported differences centered around a NASA "tiger team" report on how best to proceed with a plan to develop and use technolgy to implement the President's moon-Mars initiative. The National Academy of Engineering says the 1969 Apollo moon landing was a top engineering feat of the last quarter century. Space-related technology dominated the list of the ten most important engineering achievements. Included were application satellites, micro chips, the CAT scan, fiber optics, the jumbo jet and genetically engineered products. Aerospace Daily says a protein crystal growth experiment developed by a U.S. firm will be launched December 20 aboard a Soviet Progress resupply ship. It's the first U.S. commercial experiment to be conducted aboard the Mir space station. The project was developed by Payload Systems Incorporated of Cambridge, Mass. * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------- Here's the broadcast schedule for public affairs events NASA Select TV. All times are Eastern. Thursday, December 14...... 10:00 A.M. Coverage begins of NASA B-52/Pegasus air launch booster from Edwards Air Force Base. 3:00 P.M. NASA Update will be transmitted. All events and times are subject to change without notice. --------------------------------------------------------------- These reports are filed daily, Monday through Friday, at 12 noon, Eastern time. ---------------------------------------------------------------- A service of the Internal Communications Branch (LPC), NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 89 09:18:43 PST From: mordor!lll-tis!ames!scubed!pnet01.cts.com!jim@angband.s1.gov (Jim Bowery) To: crash!space@angband.s1.gov Subject: Re: Manned vs Unmanned Mission to Mars Henry Spencer writes: >The real problem is that the planetary-science people got caught in >a vicious circle of bigger and more complicated and less frequent missions. And why did they get caught in such a cycle? The lack of lauch slots forced design of missions around launch slots rather than launch slots around missions. No further explanation is needed to account for the Galileo Syndrome. What caused the lack of launch slots? After NASA promised Congress that Shuttle could launch dozens of missions per year and therefore it was wasteful to have any other launchers, the Shuttle Program flopped. > Using the shuttle as a >launcher did not cause its problems, and abandoning that policy has not >magically cured them. De facto, the new policy has gone into effect only very recently and even now it is grudgingly adopted by NASA, which is promoting the Shuttle Program more than ever (via Yellow Creek, Shuttle C and other abortions). It is difficult to make realistic plans when stated space policy and NASA's history (to the present) are at odds. --- Typical RESEARCH grant: $ Typical DEVELOPMENT contract: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 89 15:42:56 GMT From: sei!firth@pt.cs.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) Subject: Re: Multi-national (MANNED) Mars Mission In article <1989Dec10.031533.14766@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >1755 EST, Dec 14, 1972: human | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology >exploration of space terminates| uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu Gee, I know those Russkies are a bit strange, but to learn they aren't even human...! ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 89 23:00:00 GMT From: trident.arc.nasa.gov!yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee) Subject: Work at KSC generates $1.24 billion boost to Florida's economy (Forwarded) [You wondered where your tax dollars are going? -PEY] Bruce Buckingham Kennedy Space Center, Florida Dec. 11, 1989 KSC RELEASE NO. 131-89 WORK AT KSC GENERATES $1.24 BILLION BOOST TO FLORIDA'S ECONOMY Contracts and employment at Kennedy Space Center generated a $1.24 billion boost to Florida's economy during Fiscal Year 1989 ending Sept. 30. This is an increase of about $160 million over last year. Of KSC's expenditures, $1.07 billion went to contractors operating on-site at the space center. An additional $7 million went to off-site business in Brevard County. Other purchases and contracts awarded to Florida businesses outside of Brevard County totaled about $14 million. At least 70 percent of the on-site and Brevard County expenditures were estimated to have stayed in the local area in the form of payrolls and purchases. Space center purchases and contracts to businesses out of state totaled an estimated $49 million. Civil service salaries through the end of FY89 amounted to $102 million, an increase of about $13 million over the previous year. Permanent federal employees at KSC edged over the 2,400 mark during the same period. While 3,800 individuals were employed through construction and tenant jobs at KSC, the majority of workers at KSC are employed by the on-site contractors and number almost 12,000. Overall, approximately 18,000 workers were employed at KSC through the close of the Fiscal Year on Sept. 30. Major contractors at KSC included Lockheed Space Operations, Co., the Shuttle Processing Contractor; EG&G Florida, Inc., the Base Operations Contractor; McDonnell-Douglas Space Systems, Inc., the Payload Ground Operations Contractor; and Rockwell International Corp., which provides Shuttle orbiter logistics support. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 89 16:11:36 GMT From: thorin!cezanne!leech@mcnc.org (Jonathan Leech) Subject: Re: manned v unmanned (exploration of Mars) In article <662@cluster.cs.su.oz> ray@cluster.cs.su.oz (Raymond Lister) writes: >No student of Artificial Intelligence can watch a baby, and not be humbled. I think you've hit on something here. It would be *much* easier to send a baby to Mars to drive the rover, than a full-size astronaut. And more entertaining, too! -- Jon Leech (leech@cs.unc.edu) __@/ ``Those what cannot remedy the past can pretend to repeal it." - Attributed to Santa Ana by Howland Owl ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 89 20:03:05 GMT From: ecsvax.uncecs.edu!uncmed!calico!unccab@mcnc.org (Charles Balan) Subject: Re: V10 No.327 and inflammatory ephithets In article RIDGWAY@MITVMA.BITNET ("Lee S. Ridgway") writes: >Not all of us "liberals" are not anti-space. ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ Um, could someone from sci.lang please help me out here. What exactly is being said? All of us "l's" are anti-space? No "l's" are anti-space? I'm completely befuddled. Charles Balan UNCCAB@med.unc.edu , UNCCAB@uncmed.uucp , UNCCAB@unc.bitnet %%%%%%%%%%%%% A Witty Saying Proves Nothing - Voltaire %%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 89 03:33:41 GMT From: bfmny0!tneff@uunet.uu.net (Tom Neff) Subject: Re: Payload Status for 12/11/89 (Forwarded) In article <37891@ames.arc.nasa.gov> yee@trident.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee) writes: >Daily Status/KSC Payload Management and Operations 12-11-89 >- STS-31R HST (at VPF) - >HST power on testing was completed on Saturday. No more testing >is planned until after December. There is the removal of a SIC >and DH planned for today to gain access to a CU/SDF (electronic >box) which has suspect, bad electronics, and solder joints. Uh, excuse me... isn't it a little late in the game to be having "suspect, bad electronics, and solder joints" in HST? What happens in the next 15 years after launch, pray tell? Glad we found out, and all that, but this doesn't seem comforting. -- "We walked on the moon -- (( Tom Neff you be polite" )) tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V10 #338 *******************