Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from beak.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Wed, 17 Jan 90 01:25:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4Zh0zDG00VcJQ41E4N@andrew.cmu.edu> Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Wed, 17 Jan 90 01:25:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V10 #433 SPACE Digest Volume 10 : Issue 433 Today's Topics: Re: Not-Frequently Asked Space Questions Re: Nuclear Reactors in Space (none) Re: Nuclear Reactors in Space Re: NASP Recon. Drones SSX: Space Ship Experimental (summary) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Jan 90 22:05:10 GMT From: concertina!fiddler@sun.com (Steve Hix) Subject: Re: Not-Frequently Asked Space Questions In article <9001162022.AA04346@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, hasara@GN.ECN.PURDUE.EDU (Andrew J Hasara) writes: > > Here are a few infrequently asked space questions. Don't ask me for amswers, > I'm the one asking the questions. > > WHO is working on this SSX "thingy"? > > What is an "aerospike" engine? Who works on it? Where can I get info on it? The article you're referring to sounds very much like Gary Hudson's "Phoenix" project. Things had been pretty quiet about his progress of late, don't know how to contact him. ------------ "...Then anyone who leaves behind him a written manual, and likewise anyone who receives it, in the belief that such writing will be clear and certain, must be exceedingly simple-minded..." Plato, _Phaedrus_ 275d ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 90 22:07:48 GMT From: ecsvax.uncecs.edu!dgary@mcnc.org (D Gary Grady) Subject: Re: Nuclear Reactors in Space In article <1990Jan15.212945.8301@uncecs.edu> dgary@uncecs.edu (D Gary Grady) writes: >From reading what they've written it seems likely to me that Grossman >and Long are sincere amateur investigative journalists who have gotten >in over their heads and are not trying to save face by whatever debating >tactics come to hand. Otherwise, why would they respond to the >technical points made? What I _meant_ to write was that Grossman and Long are "NOW trying to save face" and "why would they NOT respond to the technical points made." Sorry for the poor proofreading. I do urge anyone with an interest in this to read their stuff in the November 20 and January 8/15 issues of The Nation. It's easy to see how a reasonable but technically uninformed person (such as the average product of American education, alas) would be alarmed. G&L avoid all mention of NASA's reasons for using RTGs; indeed most readers probably get the impression that Galileo is the first RTG-powered spacecraft. Calling the story one-sided is an understatement. I'm inclined to blame this not on willful distortion but to simple ignorance combined with a desire to play journalist. -- D Gary Grady (919) 286-4296 USENET: ...!mcnc!ecsvax!dgary BITNET: dgary@ecsvax.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 90 04:14:00 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!rpitsmts!forumexp@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Commander Krugannal) Subject: (none) Writes Steve Rehrauer (rehrauer@apollo.HP.COM) > (No, I didn't ignore the "strike capability"; I chose to > disbelieve the final product would have it. Budget constraints in mid- And more. Take a look sometime at the amazing history of the SR-71 Blackbird. It is actually amazing. Not only did it come in under cost, it was capable of some amazing things. A variant of it tested, was able of launching missiles at 80,000+ feet and strike targets 100 miles away with a 80% accuracy. And this was at Mach 3. Viktor Belenko (sp?) admitted the Mig-25 was designed partly in reponse to the SR-71, but could not get close enough to engage in combat. (While it had the altitute and speed, it couldn't manuvour, and it's missile were not effective.) 'Kelly err, 'Kelly' Johnson also envisioned how it could be used as an anti-ship platform but dropping machine tool aluminum (about a ton) from 80,000+ feet on the ship. That would have more than enough kinetic energy to destroy any ship afloat. Aurora if done by the skunkworks, could probably be capable of the things stated above. Btw, there was a SR-71 drone varient that was basically a single engine with wings that was used several times. Aurora would probably be based partly on this. The launch method I have heard for Aurora (btw, I heard it would have been manned) was from the back of a C-130 or other cargo craft capable of opening its rear doors in flight. A boom would be extended and the Aurora craft dropped from that. We will see what happens. (or rather we won't if it is truly stealth! :-) Greg_d._Moore@mts.rpi.edu Disclaimer: Why do I need one? everyone else has one! Also, I believe the F-117 is NOT the Stealth fighter everyone thinks it is! I think it is a diversion so we stop looking for the right one! ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 90 23:48:01 GMT From: rochester!dietz@louie.udel.edu (Paul Dietz) Subject: Re: Nuclear Reactors in Space In article <6751@lynx.UUCP> neal@lynx.UUCP (Neal Woodall) writes: >In article <1914@bucket.UUCP> leonard@bucket.UUCP (Leonard Erickson) writes: > >>>>which you you rather be hit by, a bunch of fast neutrons or a bunch of beta >>>>particles? >The main reason to be more wary of fast nuclear particles (like neutrons) is >that they can actually interract with the nucleus of atoms in your body, thus >changing the atoms to different elements or isotopes, whereas the beta >particles can at worst break the chemical bonds of the molicules in your body. Nonsense. Radioisotopes are dangerous because they then emit radiation and in doing so cause chemical damage. It is the chemical damage that is biologically significant. Fast neutrons have a high biological effectiveness because they elastically scatter off nuclei in the body. These nuclei, especially protons, get a lot of energy. The nuclei lose energy rapidly in tissue, causing intense local damage. Thermal neutrons can be dangerous out of proportion to their energy, because the gamma radiation emitted when they are captured in the body is >> their kinetic energy. Paul F. Dietz dietz@cs.rochester.edu ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 90 22:51:00 GMT From: ucsdhub!hp-sdd!apollo!rehrauer@ucsd.edu (Steve Rehrauer) Subject: Re: NASP Recon. Drones In article <5430@omepd.UUCP> larry@omews10.intel.com (Larry Smith) writes: >The following summarizes an article which appeared in Defense Week; >Jan. 8, 1990; Pg 1. > >There is a secret $3 million Air Force study going on to study the >design for a unmanned hypersonic drone that can fly to any continent >in under an hour to perform recon. or strikes. > [ stuff deleted ] > >Some sources say that such a drone could be built for as little >as 150 million, and be rolled out by the end of 1991. Right. Translate from mil-contractor speak and we get "each costs $150M, after an unspecified expenditure on R&D for the program." Why do we need this albatross? What does it buy that present or improved satellite recon couldn't? (No, I didn't ignore the "strike capability"; I chose to disbelieve the final product would have it. Budget constraints in mid- stream, don'tcha know...) -- >>"Aaiiyeeee! Death from above!"<< | Steve Rehrauer, rehrauer@apollo.hp.com "Flee, lest we be trod upon!" | The Apollo System Division of H.P. ------------------------------ From: bpistr@cgch.uucp Date: 16 Jan 90 10:36:57+0100 To: Subject: SSX: Space Ship Experimental (summary) >Organization: Ciba Geigy ZIT (Central Engineering) Basel, Switzerland The following was extracted from the Byte Information Exchange in the 'space' topic. The author is one of the reigning space technology gurus in that conference. I thought it might be of interest to readers of this list, so I'm passing it along... Apparently this vehicle (SSX) has been approved for concept validation studies by SDIO (the "Star Wars" people), as a cheaper possiblity for access to space. (God knows we need one!). US Vice President Dan Quayle, who seems to be the administration's point man for space, has made some supportive comments about the need for lower cost access to space, etc., so far without referring to this project by name, anyway. ------------------ start of included material -------------- ========== space/long.messages #750, from hvanderbilt, 13708 chars, Fri Jan 12 02:24:37 1990 ---------- Space Ship Experimental The Case For SSX Rockets have been our only way into space for over thirty years. They've done the job, but recent events have made it all too clear that rockets as we know them have problems. Current rockets are hideously expensive, costing thousands of dollars per pound of payload. They're unreliable, with the loss of one mission in twenty par for the course. They're inconvenient as hell, with launches having to be booked years in advance. These problems are not inherent to rockets. Most of our current space vehicles were originally designed over thirty years ago as ballistic missiles. Their designs reflect both the limits of fifties technology and their original military missions. Fifties missile design habits persist to this day, despite changing missions and huge advances in the available technology. Many of our current problems with rockets are a direct result of approaching space vehicle design and operations as if nothing has changed in the last thirty years. Thirty years of progress in rocket engines and lightweight structures, combined with a fresh approach to the problem, can give us space vehicles far cheaper, safer, and more flexible than we're used to. One of our best shots at doing this soon is a project called Space Ship Experimental - SSX. We don't need ten or fifteen years of research before we can build SSX. All the technology and much of the actual hardware is available off-the-shelf. For about a billion dollars over four years we can build and fly SSX prototypes. If SSX works even half as well as predicted, SSX-type vehicles will be a revolutionary improvement in our access to space. Those are pretty strong statements to take on faith. What makes SSX so much better than our current rockets? The SSX Concept The most important difference between SSX and our current rockets isn't SSX's unconventional design, but rather the goals of the design: SSX is a fully reuseable, "savable", Single-Stage-To-Orbit (SSTO) vehicle, designed from the ground up to be operated more like an advanced aircraft than like a traditional rocket, with quick turnarounds between missions by a ground support crew of a few dozen. SSX's advantages in cost, reliability, and flexibility stem from these characteristics. SSX achieves these characteristics with a remarkably simple, uncluttered design. SSX Described SSX is a wingless SSTO rocket that takes off and lands vertically. The shape is a blunt-nosed cone about fifty feet high, with a wide, slightly rounded base just under thirty feet across. The base is covered with heat- shield material; a ring of twenty or so rocket vents pierces the heat shield about one-third of the way in from the edge. These rocket vents combine with the vehicle's base to form an "aerospike" engine, a distinctly non-traditional type of rocket motor. Unlike a traditional rocket motor with its bell-shaped expansion nozzle, an "aerospike" engine lets its exhaust gases expand against the aft surface of the vehicle. Aerospike has several advantages for SSX: An aerospike motor compensates for altitude automatically, maintaining high efficiency from sea level on up to vacuum, unlike a conventional rocket motor. Another advantage is that since the aft surface of SSX has to stand the hot rocket exhaust gases anyway, it can double as a reentry heat shield. Finally, aerospikes can match a conventional engine's efficiency at much lower operating pressure, allowing lighter, cheaper, more reliable fuel pumps and combustion chambers. Aerospike engines have been built and tested on the ground, but have never flown in a full-size vehicle. A key factor in how well SSX works is how close actual aerospike efficiency comes to the theoretical predictions. SSX stands on four retractable legs, rather like the Apollo Lunar Module. The bottom three-quarters of the vehicle is fuel tank and engines, with cargo and crew carried in the nose. The whole thing looks more like a fifty foot tall egg with legs than it does any traditional rocket. SSX takes off vertically from a fairly simple launch pad. The pad will support its launch weight of about 250 tons (about nine-tenths of this is fuel) over a flame trench that channels away the rocket exhaust safely. No complex gantry or multiple umbilical connections are needed, as SSX's avionics are self-contained with multiple redundancy and built-in self-test features, modeled more on airliner electronics than on current throwaway rocket controls. SSX is like an airliner another way: It is "savable". This means that SSX is designed so that, like an airliner, if it loses an engine, it can abort the mission and land safely, even at the most vulnerable moment in a flight, taking off with full fuel tanks. Current rockets that lose an engine on takeoff tend to become smoking holes in the ground. SSX lands vertically under rocket power after doing a largely unpowered aerodynamic reentry. With most of its fuel gone, SSX is light enough that it can use the same steering technique as the Apollo reentry capsules, "gliding" on its broad flat base and controlling direction by tilting the whole vehicle slightly on its axis. Apollo was able to achieve pinpoint accurate splashdowns this way. By the time SSX has descended to airliner altitudes, it will have slowed to a few hundred miles per hour on air drag alone. Lighting the engines for the last few miles of controlled descent will require very little fuel and only a small part of the engines' takeoff power rating. Vertical landings on rocket power were extensively tested and proven in the Apollo Lunar landers; SSX will be able to land on any hard flat surface a hundred yards across. Single Stage To Orbit (SSTO) Multi-stage rockets have two advantages over an equivalent SSTO. First, for a given payload and destination, a multi-stage rocket can be made significantly smaller than a single-stager. Breaking the rocket up into stages and dropping each stage as it runs out of fuel will reduce weight and increase performance considerably for the later part of the flight. The size advantage of multiple stages is greatest for missions where rocket motor performance is stretched to the limit. This was the case in the fifties; the single-stage equivalent of an early three-stage rocket would have been five or six times larger at takeoff. The size advantage decreases as motor efficiency improves and as structure weights drop, however. Our best rocket motors are about 50% more efficient than the best of thirty years ago, and we've made huge advances in lightweight high-strength structures. SSX takeoff mass will be less than twice that of an equivalent multi-stage expendable booster. One of the most pernicious holdovers of the fifties "missile mentality" is the assumption that the best rocket for a given job is the smallest one possible. Military missiles may need to be as compact and portable as possible, but space launchers don't, and trading away simplicity and reliability for minimum takeoff weight in a launcher makes no sense at all. Most of the extra takeoff mass of an SSTO is fuel, and fuel is cheap. An SSTO is simpler to operate, and much simpler to make reuseable. Multiple stages pretty much have to be expendable. Making dropped stages recoverable negates much of the size advantage, due to the extra weight of the recovery provisions. Nobody has yet come out ahead of the game trying to recover and reuse a dropped rocket stage. Even in an expendable, the weight and complexity of the extra engines and stage interconnection/release hardware hurts cost and reliability. Dropping stages on the way up also severely limits where you can launch from and in what direction. You end up confined to sites with a lot of wide open space downrange, like Kennedy and Vandenberg. An SSTO can fly from anywhere the locals don't mind the noise too much, and it can launch in any direction without worrying about flying over populated areas, since it isn't dropping junk all over the landscape. Multi-stagers' second advantage is that traditional rocket motor nozzles have to be sized for optimum performance at some particular altitude, and lose considerable efficiency elsewhere. Multiple stages allow matching each stage's motor to its operating altitude. An SSTO rocket needs either a motor with high enough efficiency that the losses can be tolerated, different motors for different altitudes, or a motor that compensates for altitude. SSX takes the last approach; a major advantage of the "aerospike" engine is that it automatically compensates for altitude, operating efficiently all the way from sea level to vacuum. Reusability and Savability The obvious advantage of reuseability is cost. No more throwing away expensive aerospace hardware after every mission. Imagine the cost of airline travel if 747's were scrapped after one flight! Reuseability alone is not enough, though. Airfares would still be outlandish if a 747 took months of work by thousands of mechanics between flights. Savability requires simple rugged systems with multiple redundancy; practical reuseability requires design margins large enough that equipment won't need to be overhauled after every flight. Combine these qualities with extensive built-in self-test capability, in a basically simple system like SSX, and you reduce maintenance requirements a lot. SSX is designed to be readied for flight by a few dozen technicians in a week or so, cutting personnel costs to a fraction of what we pay for the standing armies that operate our current launchers. A less obvious advantage of reuseability plus savability is reliability. Expendables get minimal flight testing during development because each flight means using up a vehicle. Some bugs won't be found until later, and the ones that do show up during test are tough to diagnose because as often as not, all that's left is a tape full of telemetry data and a smoking hole in the ground. A savable reuseable like SSX can have all the flight testing it needs, gradually working up from short hops with minimum fuel through suborbital flights and finally orbital missions. This conservative incremental flight test schedule, combined with savable design, means that bugs generally won't prevent a safe landing followed by hands-on bug fixing. SSX will enter operations far more thoroughly tested than current rockets. Even after an expendable's design bugs are swatted, every one launched is fresh from the factory, with no test flights to catch any flaws that got past QC. Operational SSX-type vehicles will be more reliable because the individual vehicles can be thoroughly flight tested out of the factory as well as after repairs. This will also save on personnel costs; a large part of the standing armies that fly current rockets spend their days triple-checking and documenting every last step of the process, trying to make up for the inherent unreliability of their vehicles, or failing that to at least have some record of what went wrong. Ballistic Versus Winged SSX is a ballistic vehicle; it has no wings and relies almost entirely on rocket thrust to fly. SSX's reentry "crossrange" - the distance it can depart from its previous orbital path before landing - will be less than that of a winged vehicle like Shuttle, but still several hundred miles. Combined with SSX's small landing field requirements, this crossrange should be adequate to allow safe emergency landings. There are a lot of parking lots out there... Ballistic flight allows SSX to use a very simple shape, easy to design and build light and strong, with very simple predictable aerodynamics. SSX should be much cheaper and quicker to develop than an equivalent winged vehicle. The lessened atmospheric maneuverability is a small price to pay. A ballistic lands and takes off vertically, giving SSX a unique capability: Park one SSX in low Earth orbit, refuel it with 20 or so SSX fuel tanker flights, and the refueled SSX can make a round trip from Earth orbit to the Lunar surface and back, carrying cargo in both directions. A refueled SSX can also function as an orbital transfer vehicle, carrying payloads to and from geosyncronous orbit. Rocket Versus Airbreathing Rockets have some of the same advantages over airbreathing launchers as ballistics do over winged vehicles. Rockets take less time and money to develop, and rockets can operate beyond low orbit. Again, the lower atmospheric performance is a small price to pay. SSX and NASP SSX is a useful hedge against delay or poor performance of NASP, and if both succeed, SSX's deep space capability will be a useful complement to NASP. SSX can be ready a lot sooner at lower cost than NASP, since SSX is much less complex and requires less advanced technology. SSX won't necessarily be at a fatal economic disadvantage even after NASP is a roaring success, since SSX's greater fuel consumption may well be offset by the higher initial cost of an NASP-type vehicle. We should develop both; each has a role to fill. ------------ end of included material ----------- ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V10 #433 *******************