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Date: Sat, 26 May 90 02:15:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: SPACE Digest V11 #455

SPACE Digest                                     Volume 11 : Issue 455

Today's Topics:
		     Re: Manned mission to Venus
		      Re:  SPACE Digest V11 #444
			  Splitting up SPACE
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Date: 25 May 90 20:26:35 GMT
From: clyde.concordia.ca!mcgill-vision!quiche!calvin!msdos@uunet.uu.net  (Mark SOKOLOWSKI)
Subject: Re: Manned mission to Venus

In article <10554.7303.forumexp@mts.rpi.edu> Greg_d._Moore@mts.rpi.edu (Commander Krugannal) writes:
>
> 
>       How about we establish a fund for Mark S. and ship him to
>   Venus at the first available opportunity, since he wants to go
>   so much.
>      As for your comment Mark about Venus having mountains,
>   valleys and even seabeds, what's wrong with Mars?  Mars has those.
>   Mars has the largest observed mountain in the solar system.  It
>   also has evidence of water on its surface in the form of rivers
>   and lakes. 
>
But martian soil is different because it is highly oxydized (and therefore
has this reddish color). In comparison, venusian soil is granitic and 
basaltic. As for the sulphuric acid, don't forget that it is stopped around
20 km of altitude (the temperature reaches the necessary 220 C there). The
diameter of Mars being 1/2 of that of the Earth, Mars is much more different
from our planet than Venus.
>
> 
>     Oh, btw, if anyone wants to contribute to the fund, I'd be
>   willing to set up an account.  Hmm, how much do you think it
>   would take to ship Mark off?  Think the USSR would have
>   room on their next Venera?
> 
Well... I'll be glad to go there, even on a Venera ( :-)! ), for a
proton version 2B can send 4 to 5 tons there, which means more than
enough room for: Me, an environemental suit, a regular and hydrox based
climatization system, enough food for one year (one year should be
enough for a first try...), etc... And instead of sending a batyscaph
like sphere, it can be a glider. (With a form like the F19 or other
futuristic aircraft, because I'm not very excited by having a sphere
for such an heroic mission...).
And don't forget that Mars was imposed to us only recently (Lowell, etc...)
by the popularization of stories of canals, martians and the assumption that
life, in the form of a great civilization, is there. This sensationalism
has taken a good grip on all the subsequent space culture, and this ended up
with a deeply rooted Mars oriented vision of space exploration. When 
Von Braun was designing the Saturn III, IV and V, he had Mars in mind, as a
simple example, and Apollo was supposed to be a bridge to a manned mission
to Mars in the 80's. After all, russians weren't that much motivated
to go to a particular planet when they started their space program, and
this is why they have sent close to 20 spaceships to Venus, which indicates
that this location is a good choice for a manned expedition.

Mark S.
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Date: 25 May 90 15:22:10 GMT
From: att!cbnewsh!lmg@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (lawrence.m.geary)
Subject: Re:  SPACE Digest V11 #444

In article <1990May24.133216.6316@watdragon.waterloo.edu> jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (Brian or James) writes:
>
>	Point 1, section 2 I would agree with. Point 2, section 2
>is very arguable [aren't there *any* Sierra Club types reading this 
>news group?], and also misses the point of the discussion. Not

Here's one, and I think a little sensitivity on both sides would
go a long way to solving the problem. We *can* build the observatory,
but rather than going in and burning, pillaging and raping the local
population, a careful and conservative approach would let us have
the observatory and the squirrels too. For example, use care in moving
construction equipment to avoid killing anything; cut down as few
trees as necessary; build the observatory high to see over the trees
that remain; make the astronomers' quarters relatively small and
simple (I suppose they are anyway) rather than building an apartment
complex or something; leave the grounds grassy and shrub covered rather
than paving it over with blacktop and concrete for parking lots (this
should help the seeing as well); in general, disturb the area as little
as possible. And most important, don't dump garbage there: take out
with you whatever you brought in. Why is this so hard?
-- 

Larry Geary: 74017.3065@compuserve.com | Dislexics of the world, untie!
	     lmg@mtqub.att.com         |

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Date: Fri, 25 May 90 15:24:03 SET
From: LMASSONN%ESOC.BITNET@vma.cc.cmu.edu
Comment: CROSSNET mail via MAILER@CMUCCVMA
Subject: Splitting up SPACE

Date: 25 May 1990, 15:21:53 SET
From: Lutz Massonne             +49 6151 886 701     LMASSONN at ESOC
To:   SPACE@ANDREW.CMU.EDU
Subject: Splitting up SPACE

I'm not opposed to splitting up SPACE, but it should be ensured that
all parts are transmitted to BITNET/EARN, as (as far as I see)
many European readers are on BITNET/EARN and not on the
Internet side of the SPACE list.

Regards, Lutz Massonne

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