Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from beak.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Sat, 27 Oct 1990 02:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Precedence: junk Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Sat, 27 Oct 1990 02:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SPACE Digest V12 #500 SPACE Digest Volume 12 : Issue 500 Today's Topics: Hubble Pictures Re: Disposal of N-waste into the sun. Technology 2000 briefing scheduled (Forwarded) Re: HST summary 10/22/90 Re: Magellan Update - 10/24/90 Re: Hubble to Observer Great White Spot (Forwarded) Re: Weather Satellites Re: "NAVY WITHHOLDING EVIDENCE" Re: "NAVY WITHHOLDING EVIDENCE" A great idea on how to fund NASA! Re: Theory for Life Ulysses Update - 10/26/90 Administrivia: Submissions to the SPACE Digest/sci.space should be mailed to space+@andrew.cmu.edu. Other mail, esp. [un]subscription notices, should be sent to space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu, or, if urgent, to tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Oct 90 08:38:06 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!mucs!liv-cs!liv!eeet176@uunet.uu.net (Andrew Hartridge) Subject: Hubble Pictures Can anybody point me to any Hubble pictures availiable for FTP on the INTERNET or anywhere in the UK ?? Thanks a Lot ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | . . . Andrew Hartridge . . . . | | . . . . . . | | . . . eeet176 @ IBM.LIVERPOOL.AC.UK . . | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 90 13:53:32 GMT From: usc!wuarchive!rex!rouge!dlbres10@ucsd.edu (Fraering Philip) Subject: Re: Disposal of N-waste into the sun. In article <9010260348.AA02093@angband.s1.gov> SC05212@SWTEXAS.BITNET writes: >An earlier writer states that long before our sun dies we will have both >control over it and earths tectonic movement. The man was a zoologist. I do >not believe that he realized the scale of project he was talking about. I don't >think he realized how many Gigatons of Hydrogen we would have to add to the sun >in order to appreciably lenghthen its life. The man is Henry Spencer, who is a computer programmer working for U of Toronto Zoology. Anyway, I doubt that 'solar engineering' will happen. But adding hydrogen isn't how you do it. You skim gases off of the sun and make it smaller so that it burns its own fuel a lot slower. Adding more hydrogen would just accelerate it down the main sequence and bring us closer to the point where the earth becomes like Venus. Phil And in case you missed it: :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 90 21:57:16 GMT From: trident.arc.nasa.gov!yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee) Subject: Technology 2000 briefing scheduled (Forwarded) Barbara Selby Headquarters, Washington, D.C. October 25, 1990 (Phone: 703/557-5609) NTE-83 EDITORS NOTE: TECHNOLOGY 2000 BRIEFING SCHEDULED A press briefing on Technology 2000, the first industrial exposition and conference to showcase the transfer of NASA's technology to American business, will take place on Tuesday, Oct. 30 at 2 p.m. EST, in the 6th floor auditorium, NASA Headquarters, 400 Maryland Ave., S.W., Washington, D.C. Participants will include James T. Rose, NASA Assistant Administrator for Commercial Programs; Leonard A. Ault, Deputy Director, Technology Utilization Division; and Bill Schnirring, Publisher and Editor-in-Chief, NASA Tech Briefs. The briefing will be carried on NASA Select television, Satcom F2R, transponder 13, frequency 3960 MHz, 72 degrees west longitude. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 90 13:46:34 GMT From: puppsr!marty@princeton.edu (Marty Ryba) Subject: Re: HST summary 10/22/90 In article <9010260035.AA25382@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov>, roberts@CMR.NCSL.NIST.GOV (John Roberts) writes: |> and it is meeting this target for bright objects. It was supposed to do this |> for objects down to 28th magnitude, but because of the need to compensate |> for the aberration, it will only work down to about the 25th magnitude, which |> is about the limit for ground-based scopes. Any idea what the magnitude limit for WFPC2 will be? Will it be 28th mag? People around here have HST projects that are pushing that limit (like counting faint galaxies, etc.). Also, that 25th mag number seems optimistic; probably means for single object in uncluttered field (do such things exist? :-)). -- Marty Ryba | slave physics grad student Princeton University | They don't care if I exist, Pulsars Unlimited | let alone what my opinions are! marty@pulsar.princeton.edu | Asbestos gloves always on when reading mail ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 90 10:10:48 GMT From: unmvax!pprg.unm.edu!topgun!mustang!nntp-server.caltech.edu!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Steinn Sigurdsson) Subject: Re: Magellan Update - 10/24/90 In article <795@idacrd.UUCP>, mac@idacrd (Robert McGwier) writes: f>From article <1990Oct24.185545.11879@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>, by baalke@mars.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke): >> >> MAGELLAN STATUS REPORT >> October 24, 1990 >> The Sun-earth-Magellan angle is now 2.5 degrees. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > >Am I wrong in assuming that since we are near superior conjunction that >you meant Earth-Sun-Magellan. It is amazing that the X band stuff is making >it past all the solar noise being generated at X band. Using black body >radiation formulae (I don't even know if this correct), my guesstimate >as to the half power beamwidth's of the 70 meter dishes, it is quite >remarkable that we are still having good copy on the telemetry. > >Thanks for the updates! > >Bob > >-- >____________________________________________________________________________ > My opinions are my own no matter | Robert W. McGwier, N4HY > who I work for! ;-) | CCR, AMSAT, etc. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 90 12:17:15 GMT From: usc!samsung!umich!sharkey!amara!khai@ucsd.edu (S. Khai Mong) Subject: Re: Hubble to Observer Great White Spot (Forwarded) In article <1990Oct25.203312.26202@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@mars.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: NASA's Hubble Space Telescope (HST) is now scheduled to observe Saturn's newly discovered white spot in early November. The "Great White Spot," now termed the "Wilber Spot" after Why quite a long delay for scheduling the observation? Doesn't it qualify as an emergency viewing opportunity? -- Sao Khai Mong: Applied Dynamics, 3800 Stone School Road, Ann Arbor, Mi48108 (313)973-1300 (uunet|sharkey)!amara!khai khai@adi.com ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 90 14:47:24 GMT From: fluke!intermec!marcus@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Marcus Albro) Subject: Re: Weather Satellites To: sfn20715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <45600019@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <45600019@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> you write: >NOAA 11 19531 137.620 Active-Afternoon >------------------------------------ >Is there any more information about these? Does the information come >across as a bitmapped image every 10 min or so? Freq in Megahertz, right? >What kind of sensitivity would an antenna need to get info from these, >and how many people would send me plans to build an antenna to PC setup? :-) Computer Shopper had an article in the November 1989 issue on just this subject. Showed some pretty impressive pictures on a VGA screen. The article included some data on where to get the parts including the PC adapter card. I'll be glad to xerox and send to anyone who sends a SASE to me: Marcus Albro P.O. Box 1355 Mukilteo, WA 98275 -- ============================================================================ Marcus Albro email: marcus@intermec.com or uunet!pilchuck!intermec!marcus Intermec Corporation P.O. Box 4280 Everett, WA 98203 ============================================================================ -- ============================================================================ Marcus Albro email: marcus@intermec.com or uunet!pilchuck!intermec!marcus Intermec Corporation P.O. Box 4280 Everett, WA 98203 ============================================================================ ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 90 02:48:00 GMT From: sgi!cdp!nec@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: "NAVY WITHHOLDING EVIDENCE" This topic is being deleted by the authoring account on EcoNet. Please feel free to delete it on other networks. Andy Alm ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 90 17:21:41 GMT From: usc!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!mace.cc.purdue.edu!dil@ucsd.edu (Perry G Ramsey) Subject: Re: "NAVY WITHHOLDING EVIDENCE" In article <15888@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccoprmd@prism.gatech.EDU (Matthew DeLuca) writes: > Wow...as if once wasn't enough, we get a slightly different version of this > yet *again*! > It's clear the author expected armies of sci.space readers, frenzied over the revelation of this heinous act of concealing honest-to-God flying saucers, to converge on Las Vegas and storm the gate of Hanger 51. We weren't adequately frenzied by the first posting, but the second one surely did the trick. Well, I'm on my way. See you guys in Vegas! What do you say we meet tonight at the late show of "Nudes on Ice" for cocktails and to make battle plans? -- Perry G. Ramsey Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences perryr@vm.cc.purdue.edu Purdue University, W. Lafayette, IN USA dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu Congress thinks that if you have nine women pregnant simultaneously, you can get one baby in one month. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 90 20:43:53 GMT From: vicorp!ron@uunet.uu.net (Ron Peterson) Subject: A great idea on how to fund NASA! I have an idea that I think could fund a major portion of NASA's budget and am posting it here in the hopes that someone at NASA sees it and implements it. The idea is this: On one of the shuttle missions, send up thousands of tiny glass spheres with small holes in them. Once in space, expose the spheres to the vacuum of space and then seal them. Bring them back to earth and sell them to people. Everyone can own their own piece of space! This could be hotter than pet rocks! ron@vicorp.com ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 90 18:50:00 GMT From: sgi!cdp!dyurman@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: Theory for Life This is a reply to a posting from Daniel Mocsny on the subject of THEORIES NEEDED FOR LIFE. I would like to add a couple of points. 1st: in order to develop technology, the creature must have the ability to store information external to its brain, or equivalent, in a nonperishable form. While "pixel-addressable pigment cells" is a wonderfully creative idea, an alphabet and printing are more useful. 2nd: the creature must be a predator, otherwise it's species will spend too much time avoiding being something else's supper. This will not leave any time for rocketry. It must be at or very near the top of the trophic web not only for its niche, but also for the planet. Given the interstellar nature of DNA building blocks, its meals must be the products of concentrated protien and other nutrients from intermediate steps in the food chain. 3rd: assuming carbon-based life, sensory organs must be seated as close as possible to the brain in order to provide the shortest possible response time between reception of input and reaction to it. See predator concept above. 4th: having sonar is not inconsistent with predation, and the creature could 'see' in ultraviolet or infared as well as the isible light spectrum. If it's body cells concetrated heavy metals from the environment, there is no reason why it might not also respond to other wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum. This might result from bioaccumulation of metals resulting from its predator status. 5th: from what we know of the processing power of our own brains, there is a trade off of energy expended between physical coordination or limbs and manipulation of abstract concepts. This suggests that a creature with four arms or eight elephant like trunks might spend all its time worrying about where the parts of its body were and what to do with them, and less time about its future as a life form or the meaning thereof. 6th: the creature must have the ability to develop abstract thinking [see #1 above on storage of information] else it will fail to develop methods for organizing information, and thus fail to develop technology. This suggests a protective shell of some kind for the brain or equivalent, else the creature will never have its mental abilities survive long enough to get the abstractions built much less communicated. I'm open to suggestions for candidate materials. * ------------------------------------------------------------- * Dan Yurman PO Box 1569, Idaho Falls, Idaho 83403 | 43N 112W * | * Internet dyurman@cdp.uucp | ........ * Internet cdp!dyurman@labrea.stanford.edu | Honor... * Bitnet cdp!dyurman%labrea@stanford | Before.. * MCI 3641277@mcimail.com | Elegance * UUCP uunet!pyramid!cdp!dyurman | ........ * ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 90 00:05:07 GMT From: usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jato!mars.jpl.nasa.gov!baalke@ucsd.edu (Ron Baalke) Subject: Ulysses Update - 10/26/90 Ulysses Status Report October 26, 1990 As of 9AM (PDT), Thursday, October 25, the Ulysses spacecraft is 11,091,000 miles (17,850,000 km) from Earth, and 490,735,424 miles (789,762,110 km) from Jupiter. The spacecarft is traveling 90,667 mph (145,914 kph) relative to the Sun, and 24,074 mph (38,743 kph) relative to the Earth. The KEP (GAS) Platform Calibration 2 was carried out as the first operational activity on the October 23. The KEP instrument will be used to measure energetic particles and interstellar neutral gas. This was then followed by the initial switch on and check out of the Cosmic Ray and Solar Particle Experiment (SIM). Following the end of the days experiment activities, a Conscan Earth pointing maneuver was carried out. This required that the X-band downlink was switched on to carry out measurements at this frequency. The X-band system performed nominally during the maneuver and was switched off again as per the operations planning. The X-band downlink will be activated permanently on the November 3. Also on October 23, command system problems at the DSN (Deep Space Network) station in Spain caused some delay in the scheduled experiment commanding. Activities on the October 24 consisted of continuing the SIM checkout. At the end of the day, the experiment team declared SIM to be fully operational. The final activity on this day was to uplink time-tagged commands to start the KEP (GAS) - HV Test. The actual operation was initiated as the first activity on Thursday, October 25. This was followed by the switch-on of the Magnetic Field Experiment (HED). Initial performance of the experiment is nominal. Monitoring and control of the SIM and HED experiments will continue, together with the KEP (GAS) + HV Test. On Saturday, October 27, further KEP (GAS) tests will take place. It is also anticipated that the initial switch-on of the Cosmic Dust Experiment (GRU) will take place. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| | | | | __ \ /| | | | Ron Baalke | baalke@mars.jpl.nasa.gov ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |___ Jet Propulsion Lab | baalke@jems.jpl.nasa.gov /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| M/S 301-355 | |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ Pasadena, CA 91109 | ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V12 #500 *******************