Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Wed, 20 Mar 91 02:10:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Precedence: junk Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Wed, 20 Mar 91 02:10:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V13 #283 SPACE Digest Volume 13 : Issue 283 Today's Topics: Re: looking for a NASA report Re: Japanese Space Effort, II Re: Gaia Re: Pioneer 11 Update - 03/01/91 Re: cause of shuttle disaster Re: New World Profits (was Re: Space Profits [l/m 7/11] Frequently asked SPACE questions Administrivia: Submissions to the SPACE Digest/sci.space should be mailed to space+@andrew.cmu.edu. Other mail, esp. [un]subscription requests, should be sent to space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu, or, if urgent, to tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Mar 91 15:57:32 GMT From: haven!cs.wvu.wvnet.edu!h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu@purdue.edu (James D Mooney,205K, 7,2913548) Subject: Re: looking for a NASA report From article <217.27E4ABEC@mcws.fidonet.org>, by James.D.Mooney@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org (James D Mooney): > From: jdm@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (James D Mooney) > Path: wciu!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!uwm.edu!bionet!ames!haven!cs.wvu.wvnet.edu!jdm > Newsgroups: sci.space > Subject: looking for a NASA report > Message-ID: <1324@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> > Date: 11 Mar 91 17:51:36 GMT -> -> -- -> : James D Mooney - via FidoNet node 1:102/851 (818)352-2993 -> : ARPA/INTERNET: James.D.Mooney@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org -> : UUCP: ...!{elroy!bohica,elroy!wciu,cit-vax!wciu}!mcws!851.0!James.D.Mooney -> : Compu$erve: >internet:James.D.Mooney@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org Thanks for the good intentions of whoever reposted this query. It certainly came by a strange route -- what *are* some of those nodes ;-) We have located a copy of the report we need, and it is (I hope) in the mail to us. Thanks. -- Jim Mooney Dept. of Stat. & Computer Science (304) 293-3607 West Virginia University Morgantown, WV 26506 INTERNET: jdm@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 91 09:40:00 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!linus!philabs!ttidca!quad1!bohica!mcws!p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org!Nick.Szabo@ucsd.edu (Nick Szabo) Subject: Re: Japanese Space Effort, II From: szabo@crg5.UUCP (Nick Szabo) Path: wciu!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uunet!zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!sequent!crg5!szabo Newsgroups: sci.space Subject: Re: Japanese Space Effort, II Message-ID: <21315@crg5.UUCP> Date: 11 Mar 91 01:40:10 GMT In article <242.27D76BA7@nss.FIDONET.ORG> Paul.Blase@nss.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Blase) writes: > BY> If this is the same station mentioned in a recent IEEE Spectrum > BY> article on Japanese robotics, they really do mean *autonomous* > BY> -- as in robotic and non-teleoperated... > >They're working on both. There are plans for a manned station. Here we go again. By "plan" do you mean somebody mentioned "I wish we had a manned space station" to a reporter once? I am sure somebody somewhere in Japan also has "plans" for FTLT travel and time machines. Sheesh... -- Nick Szabo szabo@sequent.com "What are the _facts_, and to how many decimal places?" -- RAH -- : Nick Szabo - via FidoNet node 1:102/851 (818)352-2993 : ARPA/INTERNET: Nick.Szabo@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org : UUCP: ...!{elroy!bohica,elroy!wciu,cit-vax!wciu}!mcws!851.0!Nick.Szabo : Compu$erve: >internet:Nick.Szabo@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 91 13:57:00 GMT From: agate!linus!philabs!ttidca!quad1!bohica!mcws!p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org!Dan.Corbett@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dan Corbett) Subject: Re: Gaia From: dcorbett@ultima.socs.uts.edu.au (Dan Corbett) Path: wciu!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!uunet!munnari.oz.au!metro!socs.uts.edu.au!dcorbett Newsgroups: sci.space Subject: Re: Gaia Message-ID: Date: 10 Mar 91 05:57:28 GMT lwall@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Larry Wall) writes: >In article <9103020230.AA06812@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov> roberts@CMR.NCSL.NIST.GOV (John Roberts) writes: >: What part of Gaia is its appendix? :-) >Hmm, something that uses resources but doesn't contribute to the good of >the whole, and is, in fact, occasionally destructive? I'll have to >think about that one... :-) Politicians? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Corbett Department of Computer Science University of Technology, Sydney Sydney, New South Wales, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- : Dan Corbett - via FidoNet node 1:102/851 (818)352-2993 : ARPA/INTERNET: Dan.Corbett@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org : UUCP: ...!{elroy!bohica,elroy!wciu,cit-vax!wciu}!mcws!851.0!Dan.Corbett : Compu$erve: >internet:Dan.Corbett@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 91 20:04:00 GMT From: agate!linus!philabs!ttidca!quad1!bohica!mcws!p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org!Daniel.Fischer@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Fischer) Subject: Re: Pioneer 11 Update - 03/01/91 From: p515dfi@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer) Path: wciu!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uunet!mcsun!unido!mpirbn!p515dfi Newsgroups: sci.space Subject: Re: Pioneer 11 Update - 03/01/91 Message-ID: <1851@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> Date: 11 Mar 91 12:04:44 GMT In article <1991Mar8.210658.10997@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@mars.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: > The IPP (Imaging Photopolarimeter) instrument will be turned on on >the Pioneer 11 spacecraft on March 1 to allow it to warm up in preparation >for another scan of Canopus on March 2... Does this mean that Pioneer 11's RTGs are still powerful enough to support the use of this instrument as it was used at Jupiter and Saturn? Could it be used to (very slowly, of course), scan across the solar system and take another shot of the kind Voyager 1 sent a year ago? -- : Daniel Fischer - via FidoNet node 1:102/851 (818)352-2993 : ARPA/INTERNET: Daniel.Fischer@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org : UUCP: ...!{elroy!bohica,elroy!wciu,cit-vax!wciu}!mcws!851.0!Daniel.Fischer : Compu$erve: >internet:Daniel.Fischer@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 91 11:09:00 GMT From: agate!linus!philabs!ttidca!quad1!bohica!mcws!p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org!Ed.Meyer@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ed Meyer) Subject: Re: cause of shuttle disaster From: Ed_Meyer@mindlink.UUCP (Ed Meyer) Path: wciu!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a143 Newsgroups: sci.space Subject: Re: cause of shuttle disaster Message-ID: <5093@mindlink.UUCP> Date: 10 Mar 91 03:09:01 GMT > roberts@Iris1.ucis.dal.ca writes: > > Msg-ID: <1991Mar10.151218.24036@nstn.ns.ca> > Posted: 10 Mar 91 15:12:18 GMT > > Org. : Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, NS > Person: Greg Roberts > > I have watched this thread of discussion about two 'high level' engineers > [...] > I would like to see the 'evidence' cooked up by these two. Did they appear at > the Rogers Commission to testify? Do they have any materials testing reports, > independent photographic analysis, fatigue analysis or the like to support > their claim? Enquiring, although seriously skeptical minds, want to know. Greg, the late (and great) Richard Feynman had some significant observations and conclusions on this topic. He pointed to the O-rings, etc. And, at the end of his report (which was shuffled to an appendix at the back of the overall report, I believe), Richard Feynman concluded, "For a successful technology reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." Ed Meyer -- : Ed Meyer - via FidoNet node 1:102/851 (818)352-2993 : ARPA/INTERNET: Ed.Meyer@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org : UUCP: ...!{elroy!bohica,elroy!wciu,cit-vax!wciu}!mcws!851.0!Ed.Meyer : Compu$erve: >internet:Ed.Meyer@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 91 11:09:00 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!linus!philabs!ttidca!quad1!bohica!mcws!p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org!Dan.Tilque@ucsd.edu (Dan Tilque) Subject: Re: New World Profits (was Re: Space Profits From: dant@mtdoom.WR.TEK.COM (Dan Tilque) Path: wciu!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!mit-eddie!uw-beaver!zephyr.ens.tek.com!wrgate!mtdoom!dant Newsgroups: sci.space Subject: Re: New World Profits (was Re: Space Profits Message-ID: <5385@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM> Date: 13 Mar 91 03:09:15 GMT bdietz@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jack Dietz) writes: > >In article <5370@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM> Dan Tilque writes: > >>If Columbus had not brought back a few gold nuggets and some relatively >>worthless plants which he thought were valuable spices, Spanish >>exploration in the New World would probably have progressed at a much >>slower rate or even halted altogether. However, Columbus knew >>this and kept exploring until he had at least something valuable to >>show for his trip. > >This implies that Columbus was exploring what he thought was unprofitable >land. In other words, he was using the money of the Spanish crown in >order to satisfy his desire to explore, not in the interests of the >royal pair. Well, I was only talking about his first voyage. (I guess I didn't make that obvious.) He'd promised that he would find a short way to the Indies and needed something to show for his efforts. If not, some would claim he was a fraud and he might be thrown in prison or worse. He also was quite confident that he had found the Indies. It wasn't his fault that there weren't any spices or gold or even the least sign of civilization. All he needed were a few more ships and and another expedition and he was sure he could find the source of the spices (and the Chinese mainland). As far as his motivation, he wasn't just out to "boldly go where no man has gone before". He was ambitious -- he wanted control over all the lands that he discovered. He was promised that, but such promises are quickly forgotten by rulers when convenient. >Interesting. If only our explorers could pull something like that >off, leading Congress on while they encourage exploitation... NASA administrators are good at something like this. It's a required ability of higher level bureaucrats. Dan Tilque -- dant@mtdoom.WR.TEK.COM A favorite trick of Ephebian gods, he recalled, was turning into some animal in order to gain the favours of highly placed Ephebian women. And one of them had reputedly turned himself into a golden shower in persuit of his intended. -- Terry Pratchett, _Pyramids_ -- : Dan Tilque - via FidoNet node 1:102/851 (818)352-2993 : ARPA/INTERNET: Dan.Tilque@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org : UUCP: ...!{elroy!bohica,elroy!wciu,cit-vax!wciu}!mcws!851.0!Dan.Tilque : Compu$erve: >internet:Dan.Tilque@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 91 20:01:00 GMT From: agate!linus!philabs!ttidca!quad1!bohica!mcws!p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org!Eugene.N..Miya@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Eugene N. Miya) Subject: [l/m 7/11] Frequently asked SPACE questions From: eugene@nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) Path: wciu!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wuarchive!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eagle!data.nas.nasa.gov!amelia!eugene Newsgroups: sci.space Subject: [l/m 7/11] Frequently asked SPACE questions Message-ID: <1991Mar10.120108.7030@nas.nasa.gov> Date: 10 Mar 91 12:01:08 GMT This list does change. Slowly. It only changes when the members of s.s. have something to add, correct, etc. I no longer have time to read s.s., and the SNR is too low. So if this does not change it is more a reflection of the other people you are reading, and not me. Think about that for a moment. You make the difference. "It's not a message. I think it's a warning." -- Ripley This is a list of frequently asked questions on SPACE (which goes back before 1980). It is developing. Good summaries will be accepted in place of the answers given here. The point of this is to circulate existing information, and avoid rehashing old answers. Better to build on top than start again. Nothing more depressing than rehashing old topics for the 100th time. References are provided because they give more complete information than any short generalization. Questions fall into three basic types: 1) Where do I find some information about space? Try you local public library first. You do know how to use a library, don't you? Can't tell these days. The net is not a good place to ask for general information. Ask INDIVIDUALS if you must. There are other sources, use them, too. The net is a place for open ended discussion. 2) I have an idea which would improve space flight? Hope you aren't surprised but 9,999 out of 10,000 have usually been thought of before. Again, contact a direct individual source for evaluation. NASA fields thousands of these each day. 3) Miscellanous queries. Sorry, have to take them case by case. Initially, this message will be automatically posted once per month and hopefully, we can cut it back to quarterly. In time questions and good answers will be added (and maybe removed, nah). 1) What happen to Saturn V plans? What about reviving the Saturn V as a heavy-lift launcher? Possible but very expensive -- tools, subcontractors, plans, facilities are gone or converted for the shuttle, and would need rebuilding, re-testing, or even total redesign. 2) Where can I learn about space computers: shuttle, programming, core memories? %J Communications of the ACM %V 27 %N 9 %D September 1984 %K Special issue on space [shuttle] computers %A Myron Kayton %T Avionics for Manned Spacecraft %J IEEE Transactions on Aerospace and Electronic Systems %V 25 %N 6 %D November 1989 %P 786-827 Other various AIAA and IEEE publications. Computers in Spaceflight: The NASA Experience James E. Tomayko 1988? 3) SETI computation articles? %A D. K. Cullers %A Ivan R. Linscott %A Bernard M. Oliver %T Signal Processing in SETI %J Communications of the ACM %V 28 %N 11 %D November 1984 %P 1151-1163 %K CR Categories and Subject Descriptors: D.4.1 [Operating Systems]: Process Management - concurrency; I.5.4 [Pattern Recognition]: Applications - signal processing; J.2 [Phsyical Sciences and Engineering]: astronomy General Terms: Design Additional Key Words and Phrases: digital Fourier transforms, finite impulse-response filters, interstellar communications, Search for Extra-terrestrial Intelligence, signal detection, spectrum analysis You can make it change. Just discuss the changes on the net, then mail the resolution to me. -- : Eugene N. Miya - via FidoNet node 1:102/851 (818)352-2993 : ARPA/INTERNET: Eugene.N..Miya@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org : UUCP: ...!{elroy!bohica,elroy!wciu,cit-vax!wciu}!mcws!851.0!Eugene.N..Miya : Compu$erve: >internet:Eugene.N..Miya@p0.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V13 #283 *******************