Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Tue, 2 Apr 91 02:06:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0by2q2m00WBwAcXU5I@andrew.cmu.edu> Precedence: junk Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Tue, 2 Apr 91 02:06:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V13 #345 SPACE Digest Volume 13 : Issue 345 Today's Topics: Solar Eclipse Saturn V -- the Iraqi connection Re: Solar Eclipse Administrivia: Submissions to the SPACE Digest/sci.space should be mailed to space+@andrew.cmu.edu. Other mail, esp. [un]subscription requests, should be sent to space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu, or, if urgent, to tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Apr 91 03:45:57 GMT From: olivea!samsung!sdd.hp.com!usc!mizar.usc.edu!robiner@apple.com (Steve Robiner) Subject: Solar Eclipse Can someone out there who has seen (well, maybe not directly) a total solar eclispe describe to me what it and the sky look like at the time? Questions: Does the whole sky turn very dark (or just a circular area around the sun/moon? Can one see the stars in that area? Is it truly more dangerous to look at an eclipse than looking at the normal sun? It can't possibly be any brighter. The only danger I can see is that while viewing the relatively dark eclipsed sun, the moon moves out of the way, and one's dialated eye is caught off gaurd and exposed to the sun's full brightness. Is there any other danger beyond that? Has the sun's corona been observed above the Earth's atmosphere? If not, isn't possible that it is merely an atmospheric phenomenon, just light scatering and refracting around the edges of the moon. How big is the Moon's shadow on the Earth? I would guess it's nearly the size of the moon, but there must be some refraction of light around the edges of the moon, making the totally dark shadow of the moon somewhat smaller. Is the moon, during a full total eclipse, exactly the same apparent size as the sun, or is it larger? Thanks in advance, =steve= robiner@mizar.usc.edu ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 91 05:26:04 GMT From: usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!utdoe!contact!egr@apple.com (Gordan Palameta) Subject: Saturn V -- the Iraqi connection Soviet experts make startling claim: Saddam was building moon rocket -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the Soviet newspaper Krivda [ Crimean Pravda? ] Reprinted without permission. [ Translator's note: not responsible for any accuracy which may have inadvertently been introduced into this article. ] According to reliable Soviet military sources, Iraq was attempting to build a copy of the US-designed Saturn V rocket, using stolen technical information supplied by the Soviet Union. The most powerful rocket ever built, the Saturn V was used in the Apollo moon landings during the late 1960s and early 1970s. Although experts agree the Iraqi program had little chance of success, these new revelations are bound to raise a storm of controversy in the United States. Design plans for the Saturn V were allegedly obtained by Soviet intelligence in the mid 1970s from a NASA scientist "at the very highest level", known only as "W". These plans apparently included the complete set of original blueprints and later design modifications (known as "engineering change numbers"). Anguished by the cancellation of the Apollo program, and encouraged by Soviet-American political detente and space cooperation at the time (as shown by the Apollo-Soyuz joint mission), "W" provided the Soviets with the Apollo plans in the idealistic hope that they would continue the moon exploration program abandoned by the US. However, the Soviet space program also soon abandoned the idea of moon landings. Although a prototype heavy-lift booster (code-named "Podyobka") was developed based on the Apollo plans, this was eventually replaced with the more modern Soviet-designed Energiya rocket. [ Transl. note: "podyobka" may be based on the Russian word "podyom", meaning "lifting" or "ascent". I cannot seem to find this word in any reputable Soviet dictionary. ] Ironically, the Apollo technology has been "lost" in the US itself, since no systematic attempt was made to conserve the technical design specifications after the moon landing program was cancelled. It is believed that Soviet president M. S. Gorbachev actually offered US president R. W. Reagan the Apollo plans during the Reykjavik summit, in exchange for easing restrictions on high-technology exports to the Soviet Union. Although initially favorable, Reagan eventually rejected the idea under strong pressure from the Pentagon and from NASA, for whom the resurrection of the Apollo plans would have been a serious political embarrassment. In the most startling development however, the Apollo plans were apparently sold to Iraqi president Saddam Hussein in the mid 1980s by a disgruntled Iraq-based Soviet military adviser, identified only as "Ivan Chonkin". According to reliable sources, "Saddam just wanted the biggest rocket he could get his hands on. Nobody dared point out that it was useless for bombing Tel Aviv." However, the placement of the launch site in southern Iraq suggests that orbital or suborbital launches may have been intended, since such launches require proximity to the equator for maximum efficiency. Development of the Saddam V rocket, still at a preliminary stage, was brought to a sudden halt by the recent Gulf War. The launch site, within territory currently occupied by American troops, was subjected to particularly heaving bombing throughout the war and is thought to have been utterly destroyed in a commando raid during the final ground offensive. [ Transl. note: the article continues with political analysis, sharply critical of Soviet president Gorbachev and of previous Soviet support of Saddam Hussein. It demands to know why the Apollo plans have not been licensed to private American companies such as Boeing, in order to obtain hard currency "to buy bread for the Soviet people". ] ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 91 06:29:14 GMT From: mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ra!tlm1@apple.com (Terry Matula) Subject: Re: Solar Eclipse In reply to: Steve Robiner >Can someone out there who has seen (well, maybe not directly) a total >solar eclispe describe to me what it and the sky look like at the time? Okay, I haven't seen one myself, but I have taken a couple of astronomy courses and feel that I can give you some information. >Questions: > >Does the whole sky turn very dark (or just a circular area around the >sun/moon? Can one see the stars in that area? Yes, in a TOTAL solar eclipse, the entire sky does get very dark and the stars are visible. The remaining corona has a brightness somewhat similar to the full moon or maybe slightly brighter. Stars are not visible in any partial eclipse, however, because even a thin little sliver of the sun is much brighter than any star. >Is it truly more dangerous to look at an eclipse than looking at the >normal sun? It can't possibly be any brighter. The only danger I can >see is that while viewing the relatively dark eclipsed sun, the moon >moves out of the way, and one's dialated eye is caught off gaurd and >exposed to the sun's full brightness. Is there any other danger >beyond that? Well, what you say is true. Also, during a partial eclipse (before and after totality) the sun is a good bit dimmer than normal and a person can comfortably look directly at the sun for long periods of time without experiencing any discomfort. But the ultraviolet rays are still present and can do permanent damage to the delicate structures in the eye during this time. >Has the sun's corona been observed above the Earth's atmosphere? If not, >isn't possible that it is merely an atmospheric phenomenon, just light >scatering and refracting around the edges of the moon. The sun's corona is real, its not an atmospheric phenomenon. Some of the best observations have been made from above the atmosphere. The solar eclipse of Feb. 16, 1980 was photographed in a jet flying @36,000 ft. In enhanced photographs the sun's corona was seen to extend out to a distance of about 12 times the solar radius (pretty impressive photograph). Also, a NASA satellite know as Solar Maximum studied the corona by covering the solar disk with a circular disk in front of the camera. >How big is the Moon's shadow on the Earth? I would guess it's nearly the >size of the moon, but there must be some refraction of light around the >edges of the moon, making the totally dark shadow of the moon somewhat >smaller. The part of the moon's shadow where a total eclipse is visible is know as the umbra. The part where a partial eclipse is visible is know as the penumbra. The penumbra is pretty much the same size as the moon itself. The umbra, however, barely reaches Earth and is never larger than 269 km (168 miles) in diameter. >Is the moon, during a full total eclipse, exactly the same apparent size as >the sun, or is it larger? They are very close in apparent size. The sun has a diameter of about 400 times that of the moon, but it is almost exactly 400 times farther away. However, the moon's orbit is slightly elliptical and its distance from Earth varies by about 6 percent. During most eclipses, the moon appears slightly larger than sun. Occasionally, when the moon is the fartherest from the Earth, the sun can appear slightly larger than the moon. An eclipse that occurs during this time is know as an annular eclispe. The moon is too small to completely cover the sun, and we can see the sun's bright photosphere (the surface, not the corona) around the edge of the moon in a bright ring. This small ring is still much brighter than the faint corona, so the corona is not visible. The upcoming eclipse on July 11, 1991 will be a total eclispe. An annular eclipse will be visible from the central U.S. on May 10, 1994. Well, if anyone out there sees an error, be sure and let me know about it, okay! :) :) :) tlm1@ra.msstate.edu ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V13 #345 *******************