Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Thu, 27 Jun 91 04:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Precedence: junk Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Thu, 27 Jun 91 04:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SPACE Digest V13 #725 SPACE Digest Volume 13 : Issue 725 Today's Topics: Crary's Quick Debunkings Re: Microgravity? Re: What's HUD? Re: Mars "face" image data (uuencoded GIF format) SPACE Digest V13 #615 Administrivia: Submissions to the SPACE Digest/sci.space should be mailed to space+@andrew.cmu.edu. Other mail, esp. [un]subscription requests, should be sent to space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu, or, if urgent, to tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Jun 91 17:29:28 GMT From: news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@uunet.uu.net (Daniel Fischer) Subject: Crary's Quick Debunkings [Sorry for not using the F-command for attributing the earlier articles here, but the machine keeps replying "interp buffer overflow!" and cancels rn - does someone know what this kryptic error message wants to tell me?] Frank Crary wrote about our beloved 'Mars Face' and the VIKING photos of it: \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Both photos were taken when the sun was in a SLIGHTLY different position, however there are also photos with the sun in RADICALLY different positions, such as illuminating the opposite side. These photos, although a lower resolution, clearly show a plateau that looks NOTHING like a face. Farther, in the photos that DO look like a face, the shadows cast by the plateau imply a shape very different from that of a face. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Do you have a reference for these OTHER photos? Have they been published somewhere? To my knowledge (based mainly on an infamous paper in APPLIED OPTICS in 1988) there are only the two well-publicised VIKING photographs that have high enough resolution, and there's nothing with a resolution anywhere near that from other dates. And there is the photoclinometric analysis by Carlotto (in the aforementioned paper) that demonstrated convincingly that the actual topographic relief of the feature does indeed resemble a face, and that the visual impression given in the original VIKING frames reproduces the actual surface shape pretty well - the usual debunking of the thing that it is 'a play of light & shade' is incorrect!!! So the thing is there, and one should do some actual physical studies with it: how likely is it that martian erosion forces create a thing that looks like a face? (I presume, it *is* likely, but why doesn't someone with a background in such stuff do some actual science here?) ONLY THIS WAY can we stop Mr. Hoaxland (pun intended) from spreading his stories and his fans from flooding the networks with his latest crap! Outdated debunking ('light & shade') can do only harm, now that the scientific investigation of the feature has come so far as it has come - the same thinking has discredited scientific UFOlogy in the past when too little attention was paid to the actual physical stimuli that were causing many of the UFO reports, stimuli from THIS world, of course. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jun 91 19:19:18 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!mips!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Herman Rubin) Subject: Re: Microgravity? In article <1991Jun4.205819.12889@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > In article <13163@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes: > >... is this better than taking to > >a substantial height (we do have ways to get drops of well over 7000 meters) > > The problem with substantial heights is air resistance. As any skydiver will > tell you, an object released from an aircraft at any normal altitude is not > in free fall for more than a fraction of a second. The drop-tube microgravity > facilities typically evacuate their tubes to a vacuum before drop. I was thinking of taking the objects to be released to well over 20000 meters, then releasing them, and using parachutes when they got low enough. This would give the more than 7000 meters of low-pressure drop, and also a gradual deceleration at the end. In addition, cameras can be used to observe objects not encased in containers. -- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399 Phone: (317)494-6054 hrubin@l.cc.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet) {purdue,pur-ee}!l.cc!hrubin(UUCP) ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jun 91 07:17:48 GMT From: unisoft!fai!sequent!muncher.sequent.com!szabo@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: What's HUD? In article F026@CPC865.EAST-ANGLIA.AC.UK (F026) writes: >Not being a US citizen, I have no idea what HUD stands for. Could someone >please enlighten me? Department of "Housing and Urban Development". These guys can build 2,000,000 houses on Earth for every one house NASA can build in space. Astronaut groupies believe that this one house, about the size of a Winnebago, provides a motivation for Congress to move money from HUD to NASA. -- Nick Szabo szabo@sequent.com "If you understand something the first time you see it, you probably knew it already. The more bewildered you are, the more successful the mission was." -- Ed Stone, Voyager space explorer ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jun 91 01:14:19 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Rob Good) Subject: Re: Mars "face" image data (uuencoded GIF format) I've converted these images from the previous format to uuencoded GIF format. They were small files, so I posted them... What follows are the two uuencoded files. Take your favorite editor, split 'em apart, uudecode, and gaze upon them with your GIF viewer. begin 644 pix1.gif M1TE&.#=A9 !D ,8 .3DY*JJJG!P<#8V-N#@X*:FIFQL;**BHFAH:"XN M+IZ>GF1D9"HJ*M34U)J:FF!@8"8F)M#0T):6EEQ<7"(B(LS,S%A86!X>'LC( MR(Z.CE145!H:&O[^_L3$Q(J*BE!04/KZ^L# P(:&ADQ,3!(2$O;V]KR\O(*" M@DA(2 X.#GY^?D1$1 H*"K2TM'IZ>D! 0 8&!NKJZK"PL#P\/ (" N;FYJRL MK')RWJ2DI&IJ:C P,&9F9BPL+-;6UF)B8B@H*-+2 MTEY>7B0D),[.SEI:6B @(,K*RI"0D%965L;&QHR,C%)24A@8&,+"PHB(B$Y. 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I.e. it would have customers? > >I guess voyager, et. al. could have customers. I can see it now.... > >"We got great color pictures of Jupiters moons. We got Europa, We got >Ganymeade. Do I hear 10 million? Gimme 10.5? Sold, to the AAS. >Now on the stand, we got spectral analysis, freeze-frame photos, and >orbital elements. all suitable for framing, selling to USA Today, or >calculating wind velocities and atmosphere composition...." > >Seriously, how much would the various institutions be willing to pay >for this kind of data? They could surely split the cost to make it >affordable to all of them. > >Speaking as one customer (taxpayer) for both these projects, I'd say >dollar for dollar, FED bombed (is bombing?) and Voyager, Magellan, etc. >have shined. I say, let's put the $$ into the proven projects and >USEFUL pipe-dreams. I mean, if you insist that we will go into space, >what is FED going to be? Let's build a moon-base! Now that's something >you can sell. Raw materials, stable platform, built-in 25 hour clock, >radio-free zones, solar energy in big chunks, etc. >Besides, look what NASA did with their last station (which BTW, was better >than waht I understand FED would have been as it's plans last stood). > >Why don't YOU do a market survey. I bet you'll find FED has few >actual 'customers', which in a market survey means "yer outta here!" > >Tom >Acknowledge-To: <18084TM@MSU> ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V13 #725 *******************