Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Fri, 5 Jul 91 05:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8cR40Re00WBwEHG04n@andrew.cmu.edu> Precedence: junk Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Fri, 5 Jul 91 05:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SPACE Digest V13 #789 SPACE Digest Volume 13 : Issue 789 Today's Topics: Results of Straw Poll for Space Politics Newsgroup Name Cosmonauts to do space walk June 25th for antenna repair Re: Designing composite fuel engines WSF?; Answer Re: URGENT: (Not Again!) Traxler Gambit: The Next Generation Re: Net Participation by Gov't Employees Re: Galileo status report 6/6/91 Re: Mars Observer Left without me !! Re: Net Participation by Gov't Employees Re: Mars "face" Administrivia: Submissions to the SPACE Digest/sci.space should be mailed to space+@andrew.cmu.edu. Other mail, esp. [un]subscription requests, should be sent to space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu, or, if urgent, to tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Jun 91 18:52:25 GMT From: eagle!ariel.lerc.nasa.gov!ecaxron@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ronald E. Graham) Subject: Results of Straw Poll for Space Politics Newsgroup Name Here is the list of participants in the Straw Poll: Peter da Silva Joe Cain David Wald a_rubin markw System Manager Jon Leech Chris Phillips Herman Rubin Craig Ward Brian Yamauchi John McKernan Stuart Warmink Mark Earnshaw Allen Sherzer Jerry Miller Kurt Weisser Phil Fraering Robert Spiker Randall Atkinson Seth Breidbart Bengt Larsson Kent Paul Dolan Ron Graham Pete Smith Dave Liebal W. A. Simon Kevin Carlen David Nadler Dave Rintoul Chip Salzenberg Alayne McGregor Dave Conrad Adam Shostack Scott Simpers Steinn Sigurdsson Roberto Desimone Mark Brader Martin Sulkanen Ben Yalow Jim Lawson Garrett Wollman d9bertil Richard Miller Claude Asher and Conor "spelling champ" O'Neill. That's 46 participants, which I think will be a representative sample size, based on previous experience. Here is the breakdown: talk.politics.space got 24 first-place votes (nine folks wanted nothing else) 10 second-place votes 58 total points misc.activism.space got eight first-place votes (three folks wanted nothing else) 13 second-place votes 29 total points sci.space.policy got 15 first-place votes (five folks wanted nothing else) six second-place votes 36 total points Based on these point totals, talk.politics.space clearly has more support than either of the other two suggested group names, and is therefore IMPO most likely to be able to win in a vote. Also, based on these point totals, misc.activism.space is highly unlikely to win in a vote. Comment: it is my intention to continue the path toward new group creation by issuing a Call for Votes for talk.politics.space at the end of the week. I call upon supporters of the other two group names to support t.p.s. As the choice most likely to win in a vote, anyone who cares remotely about the creation of a space politics newsgroup should want one that would be supported. Further, I am concerned about the split between t.p.s and s.s.p. Although the creation of s.s.p appears unlikely to me, based on the poll totals, there are enough folks out there supporting it that t.p.s could be hindered in doing its job if it is created. The objective is to create a newsgroup that will extract most of the political traffic from sci.space, and no group of this type will work unless a large percentage of posters actively help to make it work. If anybody cares about the polling breakdown, send e-mail. I didn't want to type it all in :-(. RG Sound bite from one of the "Pink Panther" movies: "But that's a priceless Steinway!" "*Not* any *more*!!!" ------------------------------ From: glennc@cs.sfu.ca Date: 24 Jun 91 16:38 -0700 To: SVAF524%UTXVM.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu, biro%ecad2.enet.dec@decwrl.dec.com, isg@bfmny0.bfm.com, klaes%advax.dec@decwrl.enet.dec.com, lepage%vostok.dec.com@decwrl.dec.com, space-editors-new@andrew.cmu.edu, yaron@astro.as.utexas.edu Subject: Cosmonauts to do space walk June 25th for antenna repair On board the Soviet's Mir space station cosmonauts Anatoli Artsebarski and Sergei Krikalev, are preparing for a space walk that will take place tomorrow (June 25th). The main activity will be the repair of the docking antenna that caused the docking failure during the Progress M-7 docking of Mar 28th. This antenna was subsequently found to be damaged as shown by the Apr. 25th space walk inspection of Viktor Afansyev and Musa Manarov. It could not be repaired until the new crew arrived after May 12th on Soyuz TM-12. This new EVA is planed to be 4 hours long. Glenn Chapman Simon Fraser U. Burnaby, B.C., Canada glennc@cs.sfu.ca ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jun 91 22:55:09 GMT From: bonnie.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!bison!sys6626!inqmind!jesus@uunet.uu.net (Norman Paterson) Subject: Re: Designing composite fuel engines orville@weyrich.UUCP (Orville R. Weyrich) writes: > First things first -- I am NOT getting ready to build some rocket engines. > I am seeking information on how to design the suckers in order to construct > a demonstration "expert system" which answers questions about rocket engine > design. [Therefore, please hold the flame-throwers.] > > I am aware of a program on calvin which predicts the thrust characteristics > of composite engines. Does anyone know where the technical information which > is incorporated into this program came from? Is it published? > > Does anyone know of any good reference materials on the design of composite > fuel rocket engines? [I have a Ph.D. in Physical Organic Chemistry, so I can > handle technical stuff.] I also am interested in less technical > 'rules of thumb'. I know that the AIAA Journal has a lot of good stuff, > and am aware of references such as "Fundamentals of Solid-Propellant > Combustion", and some older stuff. > > Is there anyone out there that is an expert in the field that is willing/able > to act as a [paid] consultant? > > Thanks, > > Orville. > > -------------------------------------- **************************** > Orville R. Weyrich, Jr., Ph.D. Certified Systems Profession > Internet: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net Weyrich Computer Consultin > Voice: (602) 391-0821 POB 5782, Scottsdale, AZ 852 > Fax: (602) 391-0023 (Yes! I'm available) > -------------------------------------- **************************** ------------------------------ X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0000AA00108B3B212BF5 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1991 07:41:27 PDT From: Eric_Florack.Wbst311@xerox.com Subject: WSF?; Answer =-=-=-= Date: Tue, 04 Jun 91 07:55 CDT From: Bob Rehak Ext. 3-9437 What's with this United Space Federation. Is it a big joke or what. All I read on this net from the USF is the same rhetoric about the cold war, the military industrial complex, war time economies, etc., -=-=-== It's really quite simple, Bob; The political asperations of those who support 'one world' government, having failed on earth, are now being pushed on a 'space' platform. I find it interesting that so many posts in a supposedly non-political DL have such distinctive socialist political overtones. It appears to me to be an extention of the recent trend toward turing higher level education, and the like, into political re-education. If I were more cynical (Some folks consider that impossible... :*D) I'd say 'PC'... ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 00:41:26 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!schumach@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Richard A. Schumacher) Subject: Re: URGENT: (Not Again!) Traxler Gambit: The Next Generation > HOW DO YOU PAY THE ENTITLEMENT NEXT YEAR? Uh, by cutting defense spending, maybe? By cutting Social Security benefits to people who can afford it? By raising the upper bracket income tax rates a little bit? Any of these sounds better to me than continuing to let millions of kids go to bed hungry, or letting the Europeans and Japanese have the solar system all to themselves. What a concept! Social justice and space exploration too! ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jun 91 19:37:27 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!reed!intelhf!agora!batie@uunet.uu.net (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: Net Participation by Gov't Employees Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org (Wales Larrison) writes: >I normally refrain from making statements regarding the net conduct >of other persons on the net. However, the recent imbroglio from >Nick Szabo regarding the postings of Mary Shafer and other >government employees has given me cause to comment. I must've missed the posting this references, but I'll state publicly here and now that I think Mary's posting are among the most intelligent and informative on the net, and would be extremely disappointed if she were driven away. As for government employee postings, it seems to me pretty important to get information from their point of view as well... -- Alan Batie Some people believe they have batie@agora.rain.com never met a gay person. +1 503 640-4013 That's what we get for hiding. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 00:59:30 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!cam-cl!news@uunet.uu.net (Kish Shen) Subject: Re: Galileo status report 6/6/91 >position. A greater degree of warming will be available in about >15 months; in the meantime, Galileo will cool gradually as it Wasn't there talk of launching a communications relay satellite to orbit Jupiter to relay Galileo's signal if the antenna cannot be deployed? Is this plan still being considered? If the antenna fails to open in 15 months, will there still be time to prepare and launch such a satellite? [I guess it is likely that there are not enough money around for this plan....] --Kish Shen (ksh@cl.cam.ac.uk) ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jun 91 08:10:47 GMT From: mcsun!unido!ztivax!sof3@uunet.uu.net (Walter Meyer) Subject: Re: Mars Observer Left without me !! carlos@beowulf.JPL.NASA.GOV (Carlos Carrion) writes: } jenkins@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Steve Jenkins) writes: } >dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes: } >>...taken by Viking 1 in 1976. Hoagland believes the Mars observer } >>spacecraft was deployed by the Space Shuttle "Atlantis" on } >>mission STS-38. } > } >Wow! I guess we better get busy with the Mars Observer telemetry } >system. It's not scheduled for ground testing until later this year. } > } Wait Up!! I've only just released the Mars Orbit Insertion } Sequence to the Flight Team, and MO has been launched already (and } by the Shuttle!) ?? Carlos! Steve! Like dudes, get it together! Don Allen is an obvious genius who REALLY knows these things. I mean, we must have been out to lunch regarding Phobos, right!?! So, maybe JPL could save a whole lot of money by hiring Don Allen to contact the aliens and just TELL us all about the other planets. Then we could just go to the beach... I was thinking about hacking TASS to support author kill like RN, but on second thought, with dona in this group I don't need the NatEnq for comedy! David Smyth Object X Guru Reliable email address coming soon! ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 02:34:33 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu!rwy@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Robert William Young) Subject: Re: Net Participation by Gov't Employees Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org (Wales Larrison) writes: >To all net readers: > >I normally refrain from making statements regarding the net conduct >of other persons on the net. However, the recent imbroglio from >Nick Szabo regarding the postings of Mary Shafer and other >government employees has given me cause to comment. > . . . stuff deleted . . . >C'mon folks. Let's be adults. There will be differences in >opinions, and thoughts will be expressed hastily and there will be >some misinterpretation of expressions. Let us not commit the >blunder of escalating honest differences of opinions into personal >vendetta. Respect the rights of others on sci.space - including >their right to a personal opinion. And be polite. > But most of all, let us encourage people to contribute and support >space development in whatever way they can. I don't believe that >there is only one way into orbit, and I personally would like to >encourage differing opinions on how to do put wide-spread human >civilization permanently into space (including humans, machines and >commerce) -- to see what new and different ideas we can generate >and how to put these into action. I may not agree with all of them, >but I will not stop anyone from expressing them. > >"I may disagree with your opinions, but I will defend to the death >your right to say them". > > - Wales Larrison - CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, and other standing ovation noises... Its good to see somebody speak out against small-minded and knee-jerk opinions. >-- >Wales Larrison >Internet: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org >Compuserve: >internet:Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert W. Young Kansas State University Department of Mechanical Engineering Graduate Research Assistant/ Graduate Teaching Assistant INTERNET rwy@matt.ksu.ksu.edu "I pay attention, I think, I deliberate -- but nothing happens --" Descartes (with appologies) "A mistake is evidence that somebody has tried to accomplish something" John E. Babcock ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jun 91 19:11:07 GMT From: mtxinu!sybase!alf!brook@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (brook mantia) Subject: Re: Mars "face" In article <1528@gtx.com> al@gtx.UUCP (Alan Filipski) writes: >Instead of a bunch of amateur interpretations of this picture, it would >be interesting to get a professional's opinion. There are people who >spend their entire careers interpreting satellite and aerial recon >photos. Most of them work for the government, but many are retired. >Have any of these people given an opinion on the photos? > Yes, the image data has been revewied by many experts from both the public and private sector, and after many hours of painstaking analysis they have come to the same conclusion. However, the results are so startling that they have tried to keep it quiet lest the populace be seized by panic. It's Elvis... An official public announcement is pending final agreement as to who gets the movie rights. As always, --Brook Mantia ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V13 #789 *******************