Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 05:04:09 From: Space Digest maintainer Reply-To: Space-request@isu.isunet.edu Subject: Space Digest V15 #564 To: Space Digest Readers Precedence: bulk Space Digest Fri, 18 Dec 92 Volume 15 : Issue 564 Today's Topics: Apollo Astronauts Apollo laser disk Galileo's Atmospheric Probe Passes Health Checks HGA Again (was Re: Galileo's Atmospheric Probe Passes Health Checks) Lageos Launch vehicle photos Lunar bill New space logos in ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/LOGOS/\* Re : Relay to Follow Galileo? Relay to Follow Galileo? (2 msgs) Revised lunar bill, Ver. 1.5 Sea Dragon? Seattle NASA town meeting reflections. Shuttle thermal tiles Terminal Velocity of DCX? (was Re: Shuttle ...) (2 msgs) Welcome to the Space Digest!! Please send your messages to "space@isu.isunet.edu", and (un)subscription requests of the form "Subscribe Space " to one of these addresses: listserv@uga (BITNET), rice::boyle (SPAN/NSInet), utadnx::utspan::rice::boyle (THENET), or space-REQUEST@isu.isunet.edu (Internet). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:20:36 GMT From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Apollo Astronauts Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space >In article <29557@castle.ed.ac.uk>, eoph12@castle.ed.ac.uk (I F Gow) wrote: >> Anyone have addresses of the whereabouts of the surviving Apollo >> Astronauts? In article <1992Dec15.102803.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> higgins@fnalo.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) replied: >[...] the >Astronaut Office at Johnson Space Center keeps track of them and will >forward mail to them. That's probably the simplest answer to your >question. > >The address: > >NASA Johnson Space Center >Astronaut Office >Houston, TX 77058 > >Sorry, don't know the mail code. Mail Code CB Mark your envelope "Attn: Buzz Aldrin" (or whomever) for faster forwarding. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 "The earth is the cradle of humanity, but mankind will not stay in the cradle forever." -- Konstantin Tsiolkvosky ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 92 19:11:24 GMT From: Ralph Buttigieg Subject: Apollo laser disk Newsgroups: sci.space Can anyone help on the location of a NTSC CAV format laser disk called "Apollo". Its supposed to cantain just about every moment of the Apollo lunar space walks and other stuff. If you have a suppliers address I greatly appreciate it. ta Ralph Buttigieg --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Vulcan's World-Sydney Australia 02 635-1204 (3:713/635) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:03:14 GMT From: Ed McCreary Subject: Galileo's Atmospheric Probe Passes Health Checks Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1992Dec17.001338.17602@cc.umontreal.ca> dignard@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Michel Dignard) writes: ...stuff deleted... >Does this means that the HGA has finally deployed, or the efforts have been >abandonned? It's hasn't deployed. JPL plans to begin hammering the antenna soon. Hopefully this combined with the higher spacecraft temperature will make the difference. -- Ed McCreary ,__o mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com _-\_<, "If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao." (*)/'(*) ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 92 05:05:51 GMT From: Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey Subject: HGA Again (was Re: Galileo's Atmospheric Probe Passes Health Checks) Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1992Dec17.001338.17602@cc.umontreal.ca>, dignard@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Michel Dignard) writes: > I missed SCI.SPACE.NEWS for a few weeks in November. > > I notice that no mention is made anymore of the Galileo High Gain Antenna > problem in the recent posts nor in the health report. > > Does this means that the HGA has finally deployed, or the efforts have been > abandonned? As newscaster Chevy Chase used to say: "This just in from Madrid. According to doctors attending Generalissimo Francisco Franco, the former head of state is valiantly hanging on in his fight to remain dead." No, it hasn't opened yet. Starting next week and continuing through 19 January, the thermal cycling which expands and shrinks the antenna mast will be combined with "hammering" of the drive motor that opens the antenna. The motor will turn on, turn the mechanism a little bit, then sense a stall and shut itself off. This will be repeated perhaps a couple of thousand times and can double the stress on the jammed ribs. It is the best hope to get the HGA open, especially since Galileo is now nearer the Sun than it will ever be again (or has been in a couple of years), hence the temperature extremes it can experience are at a maximum this month. If they don't get it open by January, I'm sure JPL will continue work on the problem, but they have not announced definite plans for this. [Thanks, and a tip o'the hat to Phil Fraering for a more accurate *SNL* quote. Yes, I intend to keep using this joke as long as people keep asking the HGA question. Fight tedium with tedium.] Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey | "Enough marshmallows Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory | will kill you Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | if properly placed." Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | --John Alexander, leader of SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | "disabling technologies" [*Aviation Week*, 7 Dec 1992, p. 50] | research, Los Alamos ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 92 15:55:06 GMT From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: Lageos Newsgroups: sci.space Hmmm...it looks like Lageos would have been a good mission for either the new Taurus launcher, or the new extended Pegasus. --- Maximus 2.00 ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 92 09:15:52 GMT From: Peter Hunter Subject: Launch vehicle photos Newsgroups: sci.space As a supplement to a public domain database of spave launches, I would like to add a collection of .GIF images of launch vehicles. Is anyone aware of a similar collection of .GIF's already available? --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Vulcan's World -Sydney Australia 02 635-1204 (3:713/635) ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 92 04:55:50 GMT From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: Lunar bill Newsgroups: sci.space As part of the process of developing the Lunar Resources Data Purchase Act (the "back to the Moon" bill), it will be necessary to explain, in the introduction of the Act, the rationale for establishing an immediate national requirement for lunar science data. Congresspersons generally don't like to throw away money outside their own districts without a good reason, so we need to explain, in a compelling manner, why we need to go back to the Moon in the 1990's to obtain a complete chemical map. Why can't we wait for this information until the year 2000, or 2010, or beyond? Why is it in the national interest to send probes *now* back to the Moon? If you can develop a convincing rationale for an immediate exploration of the Moon by a lunar polar orbiter, please forward me the Reader's Digest version - the winner of this informal contest gets their verbage in the Back to the Moon bill, which is to be introduced in the 103rd Congress. The Lunar Resources Data Purchase Act would authorize the U.S. government to purchase lunar science data from private vendors, selected on the basis of competitive bidding. For more information on the Act, please send E-Mail, or call 714/524-1674. --- Maximus 2.00 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:36:23 GMT From: "Kenneth C. Jenks [GM2] (713" Subject: New space logos in ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/LOGOS/\* Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle I have put several new logos (ACRV, NASP, EDO, and Shuttle/C) out for anonymous FTP into the usual space logos directory: ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/LOGOS/\* I have also replaced all of the old logos with exact duplicates since several had become corrupted (like a 7-byte-long GIF file). So those of you who have retrieved logos in the past might take a look at the fresh ones. I wouldn't mind some feedback. Does anybody actually use these things? How? -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 Aldrin: "Contact light. Okay, engine stop. ACA out of detent." Armstrong: "Got it." Aldrin: "Mode controls, both auto. Descent engine command override, off. Engine arm off...." CAPCOM: "We copy you down, Eagle." Armstrong: "Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the file... ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/LOGOS/README NASA Logos Updated 12/14/92 These logos are provided as a service from NASA to - Provide access to various logos, seals, patches and emblems associated with the space program - Allow use of a consistent, almost-official set of logos across the Agency - Eliminate duplication of effort across the Agency by producing electronic images of these logos just ONCE Files: acrv.* -- The logo for the Assured Crew Return Vehicle project ballmono.* -- NASA's "meatball" logo; black, white & grey edo.* -- The logo of the Space Shuttle Extended Duration Orbiter project energia.* -- The logo for NPO Energia, Russia esa.* -- The logo for the European Space Agency jpl.* -- The official logo for the Jet Propulsion Laboratory jsc.* -- An unofficial logo for Johnson Space Center logo001.tif -- A 256-color, 300 dpi image of the NASA meatball msfc.* -- A logo for Marshall Space Flight Center from 1969 nasaball.* -- NASA's official "meatball" logo; deep blue, dark red, white background nasaseal.* -- NASA's official seal nasaworm.* -- NASA's "worm" logo, now replaced by meatball logo nls.* -- The logo of the National Launch System orbiter1.* -- A head-on bitmap image of the Space Shuttle Orbiter shuttlec.* -- The logo of the (now defunct) Shuttle/C project ssfp.* -- The official logo of the Space Station Freedom Program ssp.* -- Official logo of the Space Shuttle Program (color) sspmono.* -- Monochrome version of the Space Shuttle Program logo sts-??.* -- Crew Patch (mission emblem) of STS-?? sts-??.txt -- The text from the back of the Crew Patch Formats: *.bmp -- MS Windows Bitmap format, suitable for use as wallpaper *.cdr -- CorelDRAW format, a popular color vector format *.cgm -- Computer Graphics Metafile, a popular color vector format *.drw -- Micrografx Designer format, a popular color vector format *.gif -- Graphics Interchange Format, a popular color raster format *.pct -- CorelDRAW's attempt at exporting to Macintosh's PICT format *.pcx -- PCX, a popular color raster format *.tif -- Tagged Image File Format, a popular color raster format *.wmf -- MS Windows Metafile format *.gif.uu -- a GIF file run through "uuencode" to change it to a text file Not all images are available in all formats. If you cannot read ANY of the file formats listed, feel free to contact me. I can translate these to most any graphics format. If you have any images which should be part of this collection, please contact me. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 "...back to the moon, back to the future, and, this time, back to stay." -- George Bush P.S. Ron Baalke posted the following reference to some Mac files, including ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/MAGELLAN/nasalogo.mac -- KJ >Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,comp.sys.mac.misc >From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) >Subject: Macintosh Images >Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory >Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1992 12:20:47 GMT > > > ============================= > MACINTOSH IMAGES > June 24, 1992 > ============================= > > Two images are now available that can be displayed on the older >black-and-white Machintoshes. One image is of the "new" NASA logo, and the >other image is the Venus globe put together from the data from the Magellan >spacecraft. If the images are placed in the System folder of the computer and >named "StartupScreen", the images will automatically be displayed when the >computer is turned on. The images have been dithered to replace the grey >values with varying densities of black and white and are stored in the >MacBinary format. The images can be retrieved from the Ames site using >anonymous ftp. > > ftp: ames.arc.nasa.gov (128.102.18.3) > user: anonymous > cd: pub/SPACE/MAGELLAN > files: nasalogo.mac (MacBinary format) > venus.mac (MacBinary format) > ___ _____ ___ > /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov > | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | > ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Pound for pound, >/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | grasshoppers are 3 times as >|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | nutritious as beef. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 92 15:53:22 GMT From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: Re : Relay to Follow Galileo? Newsgroups: sci.space Because of the proximity to the sun during the Venus swingby, the Galileo project managers realized that the antenna, and some other delicate equipment, required shielding from the solar flux. Therefore, the opening of the antenna was delayed until Galileo was relatively far from the Sun. --- Maximus 2.00 ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 92 15:50:58 GMT From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: Relay to Follow Galileo? Newsgroups: sci.space No matter which way you cut it, a TDRS is too heavy to be launched to Jupiter orbit from the shuttle (remember it needs to carry fuel for Jupiter orbit insertion, as well). One of the problems with the space activist commnity is that we tend to make half-a**ed designs here on the net, instead of what we should be doing: creating an environment where things simply don't go wrong in the first place. That's what TQM is all about. --- Maximus 2.00 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:25:13 GMT From: M22079@mwvm.mitre.org Subject: Relay to Follow Galileo? Newsgroups: sci.space In article David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org writes: > >No matter which way you cut it, a TDRS is too heavy to be launched to Jupiter >orbit from the shuttle (remember it needs to carry fuel for Jupiter orbit >insertion, as well). > >One of the problems with the space activist commnity is that we tend to make >half-a**ed designs here on the net, instead of what we should be doing: >creating an environment where things simply don't go wrong in the first place. >That's what TQM is all about. > >--- Maximus 2.00 I would like to see the math that shows that TDRS could not be sent to Jupiter, remember that a TDRS has relatively large fuel tanks, in addition to fuel in the IUS. I believe the redesign of TDRS-F looked very complicated and was thought very risky. I was not consulted and did not look into it. The link budget would need to be quite a bit different than the situations for which TDRS was designed. These opinion are my own. KPITT@MITRE.ORG ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 92 19:15:28 GMT From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: Revised lunar bill, Ver. 1.5 Newsgroups: sci.space "Back to the Moon" Bill Proposed December 15, 1992 With most funding for the Space Exploration Initiative eliminated in recent budgets, and over twenty years having passed since the last NASA mission to the Moon, it is clear that simply waiting for the government to get around to lunar exploration is futile. The Lunar Resources Data Purchase Act (the "Back to the Moon" bill) would authorize the U.S. government to purchase lunar science data from private vendors, selected on the basis of competitive bidding, with a cap on the bids of significantly less than $100 million. There would be few restrictions on how this data would be obtained by the bidder, or whether a winning bidder is a for-profit or non-profit corporation. This mission would accomplish the widely acknowledged first step in returning to the Moon, a lunar polar probe that would generate a complete geochemical map of the lunar surface and possibly determine whether ice exists in deep craters at the poles of the Moon. During the last several years, there have been several false starts in mounting a new lunar mission: the Bush Administration has proposed a series of relatively inexpensive lunar probes (approximate cost of $125 million per probe), and private non-profit organizations have attempted to raise funds for their probes via donations. There has been no success on the part of these public and private efforts, and little prospect for the future. Only the Back to the Moon bill has a reasonable probability of jump starting our lunar program. How you can help: In order to make a return to the Moon in this decade a reality, we need assistance from the space activist community with the following: Why return to the Moon now? What is the rationale for the U.S. Congress to establish a requirement for lunar data now, instead of the year 2000, 2010 or beyond? Writing the Act. This is pretty well taken care of , but the more help, the better. Your ideas on how to make the bill more passable are welcome. Getting congresspersons to co-sponsor the bill. We believe that congresspersons will be happy to co-sponsor the Act, but they won't know about the bill unless their constituents bring it to their attention. Although it is expected that private companies will bid, it is also possible that non-profit corporations such as Lunar Exploration, Inc., AMSAT, Space Studies Institute, or universities may participate. The final bill may allow for many winning bids, on an ongoing basis. One key point is that winning bidders will be required to supply NASA with only the specified data; any other data generated by the spacecraft instrumentation will be the property of the bidders, and may be sold to third parties. The most exciting aspect of this effort is that it does not require the majority of American citizens to get behind the space program; it does not require a mass movement of space activists to galvanize NASA; the people reading this are all that are needed to get America back to the Moon. Once this effort succeeds, future efforts are contemplated: the Lunar Soil Purchase Act, the Mercury Resources Data Purchase Act, etc. All will entail a relatively tiny Federal expenditure to provide key knowledge about the Solar System that could provoke the politicians to actually create a space program that gets beyond low earth orbit. Can space activists actually get a bill passed through Congress? The best evidence is the Launch Services Purchase Act, written by space activists, introduced in Congress through the efforts of space activists, and passed by Congress and signed by the President, largely through the efforts of space activists. This far-reaching bill has had a dramatic impact on the nation's space program (it prohibits NASA from launching satellites into space, with few exceptions; Mars Observer was launched to Mars under the auspices of the LSPA).We have done it before, and we can do it again. For more information on this project, please call David Anderman at 714/524-1674, or contact: San Diego L5, P.O. Box 4636, San Diego, CA 92164, 619/295-3690. --- Maximus 2.00 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:06:49 GMT From: Ed McCreary Subject: Sea Dragon? Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1992Dec17.140631.1260@cs.ucf.edu> clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke) writes: >Did you ever see the Japanese cartoon where the beleagured earthlings >convert the battleship Yamato (sunk during WWII, but now dry since the >seas had dried up as a result of the bombardment of earth by the aliens) >into a starship? The intrepid band takes off, and after many adventures >reach the home planet of the aliens and save earth! It was actually >pretty clever how the blended the lines of a battleship into a >plausible looking starship. "Starblazers". A friend a few offices down have all of the first season on tape sitting on his shelf. It used to come one right after "Speed Racer" during my misspent youth. -- Ed McCreary ,__o mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com _-\_<, "If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao." (*)/'(*) ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 92 19:14:29 GMT From: games@max.u.washington.edu Subject: Seattle NASA town meeting reflections. Newsgroups: sci.space Well, I went to the Seattle NASA Town meeting. Aftter much deliberation, I had 2 questions, one was short and pointed, and given to me (well, the bulk of it) by Henry Spencer, and the other I wrote myself. It was a more majestic, and threatening question, covering more topics, and I was sure it would not be received as well. So, I was going to ask MY question (Something like... Mr. Goldin, you have done an excellent job of refocusing NASA on the projects that it has at hand, but I still see a lack of focus for the organization as a whole. You state in the flyer that the goal of NASA is to expand the frontiers of ARI and SPACE for the benifits of all. To this end, I feel that there are many things that NASA is doing now that they should NOT be doing, and many things that they SHOULD be doing. I think that the best way to elucidate this is Ross Perot style, and hit the most important highlights. 1: Mission to planet earth should not be done by NASA, it is not space science, it is earth science that just happens to be done in space. I believe that this work is outside the scope of nasa. This is not to say that it is not important work, it is, but it should ne done by NOAA whose charter covers this area much better. 2: The shuttle is a vehicle that will never be commercialized, and as such can never be used by the vast majority of us. In this respect it is a failure. I believe that NASA needs to keep doing launch systems work, until one that is commercially viable is developed. To this end, I believe that NASA OUGHT to be doing work like the single stage to orbit DC-X craft that is being built by McD for the SDIO people. 3: There need to be many more small science missions. These are one of the areas where NASA has been tremendously sucessfull in the past, but we need more of this kind of work, and finally 4, the space station is the prime example of a NASA project with NO focus. The vast majority of the population sees SSF as a tube in the sky with air in it, and they have NO CLUE what it is for. I think that it is a wonderfull concept, but until it has a clear 1 or 2 paragraph MISSION statement, the american people can never support it. Can you address how you plan to refocus NASA on some of these LARGER more FAR reaching issues? ) So, they called for questions, and being the agressive type, I had gotten there an hour early, and got a seat 2 feet from the mike, I stood up, and naturally was first in line. They called Prof. Hertzberger (Of the U.W.) from the other line first, and he asked how NASA would get off the Tiger of the Shuttle. Then they pointed to me, and I felt myself turn the page over and ask the second question. (Amazing how that works, If I had been one on one with the man, I vertainly would have asked the first question), in any case what came out of my mouth was... Given that we badly need a more efficient, better faster cheaper reusable space launch vehicle that can be commercialized, and given the success of the earlier X-Planes program, Shouldn't NASA be persuing an X-Launcher program similar to the Single Stage to Orbit DC-X vehicle being built by McD for the SDIO people? So, he answered it as 2 parts, first, he said that the x-plane program was wonderful, and that they were ready to fly a scramjet in the 60's. Then he said that NASA plate was full, and that they should not take on any new development until they deliver on the promises that they have already made. He made mention of the fact that there are a lot of launch vehicle proposals, but it was tiome to stop spending money on infrastructure, and get back to space science. I was mind numb at the time, so I sat down. I wish I had been op the ball, I would have called him on it. Thankfully 2 or 3 other people made mention of alternative launch systems, and Richard Kendrick (who I talked to during the break) made a more pointed attack to the panel. He said basically... I disagree with Mr. Goldin that we do not need more launch systems. I think that we need to explore options for ... I forget the exact text. The panel then dished out far more clearly than goldin the same story. NASA is WAY to busy with the projects that they have promised, to take on new launch systems development. He followed up, and they said it again, then he said that "Well, we could debate this all day, but I still disagree." It is interesting that he hates SSTO, and thinks that ultimately a TSTO will prove to be the "REAL" answer, but I am glad that he stood up for the concept that NASA should be doing the R & D. After the meeting, I walked up onto the stage (with some others) and talked to Mr. Reck for about 20 minutes. (The guy in charge of the Advanced Concepts and Technology Office), I started by telling him, that I thought the point had been missed about SSTO, the point was that the Shuttle would never be commercialized, and that what we wanted was the development work, the proof of concept work to be done by NASA for a system that COULD be commercialized, so that we all would have a shot at buying a ride into space. He replied with (and I paraphrase) Well, I think that here, interestingly more so than at any of the other town meetings, the launch system point came home. it was mentioned more, and I think the message was that you are looking for the development for all. On another note, A lady did say that Mission to Planet Earth should be moved to Noaa, and the reply text was that noaa couldn't find their own satellites without the help of nasa, let alone launch them, much less analyze the data. I talked to that guy after the meeting for a moment, and told him that that was not the point. The point was the charter. It is really inside the NOAA jurisdiction, and not the NASA jurisdiction, and yes, I realize that it is taking one of the crown jewels from nasa, and it is a threatening concept, but mission to planet earth is not space science, it is earth science done from space. He grudgingly gave me that point, and said that if it turns out to be so important to the future of the world, maybe a new agency would evolve out of it. He never considered noaa up to the challenge. On a side note, there were several thoughtfull questions from both the women and the men in line. There were also mindless ramblings from people in line (bordering on the embarassing). There were also important questions raised, but the presentation was sooooo bad. There was one guy who wwent on for a long time about power, never once using the term solar power satellites. Someone next to me asked what the hell he was rambeling on about, and I explained the entire subject in the time his question was going on. He should have just asked why nasa was not building a demonstration solar power satellite, in order to learn if the system would really work, and to reduce the risk for venture capitol people who would love to invest in it. The one thing that suprised me (although in reflection it should not) was the number of questions on education. How do we find out what nasa is doing, and how do we teach our kids? There were several times when the same question on this topic was asked 2 or 3 times in a row by the people in line. In reflection, there were a great number of issues that should have been raised but weren't. I kept wishing for some more specific questions, on certain issues, but we kept getting rehashes of the same education stuff over and over and over again. Final thoughts based on the meeting: I think that Nasa'c culture is not yet changed from the NIH syndrome, and it will take a great effort for that to change. I think that the Nasa people who were there did come away with a sense that they have a long way to go in a great number of areas. I think that it was a worthwhile effort both for the Nasa people, and the people who attended the meeting. I think that if they do it again, they need to advertize for a more general crowd. And finally I must thank Henry Spencer for the substance of my question, and Bill Higgins for telling me to get there early to get a seat by the mike. John Stevens-Schlick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:07:49 GMT From: Ed McCreary Subject: Shuttle thermal tiles Newsgroups: sci.space In article shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes: ...re the shuttle tiles... >Did you get to hold it in your bare hand while they played the butane >torch over it? It took a lot of faith for me to keep my hand out there >when the top of the tile started glowing orange. > I actually got to do this many years ago in elementary school, say '76 or so. One of the benefits of growing up in Houston is that the Houston Independent School District uses JSC for field trips every year and occasionally someone will come and give a presentation. -- Ed McCreary ,__o mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com _-\_<, "If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao." (*)/'(*) ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 92 16:32:12 GMT From: Doug Mohney Subject: Terminal Velocity of DCX? (was Re: Shuttle ...) Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1992Dec16.195416.8422@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >For what we have spent on Shuttle we could have built two Freedom >space stations without shuttle, you might not have ONE Freedom space station. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I have talked to Ehud, and lived. -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 92 18:39:59 GMT From: Doug Mohney Subject: Terminal Velocity of DCX? (was Re: Shuttle ...) Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1992Dec17.104748.8173@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes: >Oh. Oh. My source is a post by Nick Szabo Sept 19th of last year where >he quotes a Mir Press article on suited time for sale. Since they offered >John Denver a ride for $10 million, this must be out to lunch. Right, quote Dr. Asteroid Roboto for a price of man-in-space. I have talked to Ehud, and lived. -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:26:54 MST From: cuddeback@merlin.nmhu.edu SIGNOFF QUIT Ken Cuddeback, NL7WD Tel: (505)454-3452 Computer Operations Manager Fax: (505)454-1916 New Mexico Highlands University Las Vegas, NM 87701 ------------------------------ End of Space Digest Volume 15 : Issue 564 ------------------------------