Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 10:30:47 From: Space Digest maintainer Reply-To: Space-request@isu.isunet.edu Subject: Space Digest V16 #149 To: Space Digest Readers Precedence: bulk Space Digest Fri, 12 Feb 93 Volume 16 : Issue 149 Today's Topics: Active Space Research/Home Sewage Recycling+ Censoring Anonymous (was Re: hilarious) Censorship DC reentry Fred is dead again. (3 msgs) hilarious In Memorium, RAH leading-edge anonymity (3 msgs) Looking for orbital elements of the moon * Molecular Weight (Was Re: kerosene/peroxide SSTO) RESULT: sci.geo.eosdis passes 114:14 Satellite Imagery Space Station Freedom Media Handbook - Comments where isi old digest Welcome to the Space Digest!! Please send your messages to "space@isu.isunet.edu", and (un)subscription requests of the form "Subscribe Space " to one of these addresses: listserv@uga (BITNET), rice::boyle (SPAN/NSInet), utadnx::utspan::rice::boyle (THENET), or space-REQUEST@isu.isunet.edu (Internet). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Feb 1993 14:24:56 -0500 From: Pat Subject: Active Space Research/Home Sewage Recycling+ Newsgroups: sci.space The big thing as I see it, is that Advanced technologies may be able to handle sewage reprocessing in a much more compact and efficeint manner then septic fields. The trick with septic fields is that they use Large sand beds to allow the bacteria to consume everything. The idea I have been mulling around is small sewage treatment facilities that may integrate with producing biomass. One thing to remember, is this country faces a crisis in water resources. Water consumption is at an rising trend, while sewage treatment is not keeping up with population. If we could develope small treatment facilities to supplement the central facilities we may end up producing cleaner water.. Also developemnt of efficient small wate management systems may allow developement of land currently unusable due to failure to perc and non-availability of sewer. pat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 23:41:44 GMT From: gawne@stsci.edu Subject: Censoring Anonymous (was Re: hilarious) Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro In article <6FEB199317111584@pavo.concordia.ca>, jt_rask@pavo.concordia.ca (RASKU, JASON T.) writes: > Is there anything that can be done to prevent anon postings in groups that > there is no reason to post anonomously? I CAN see some people who don't > have access to a group posting anonomously but I'm sure that consideration > can be made for them. Is there ANY way that a UNIVERSAL kill file can be > created in order to keep people from posting GARBAGE anonomusly? There is > NO reason to not post publicly if you are posting something you feel is of > worth unless you CAN'T post any other way. What does the rest of the net > think of this? Well, in my VAX newsreader I just type: kill/from If I'm reading something and I decide I never want to read anything from that poster again. [Speculation about WHO is featured this way please limit to e-mail.] Since the "from" line of these anonymous posts is always the same this should work. I'd imagine the unix newsreaders have kill filters with similar properties. But the general answer to your question is, I think, that in unmoderated newsgroups we don't want "prior restraint", alias censorship. Each of us acts as censor by virtue of our kill filters, but that's a personal decision for each user and not one to be imposed from outside. -Bill Gawne, Space Telescope Science Institute ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 93 23:14:22 GMT From: Jack Coyote Subject: Censorship Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.privacy,alt.censorship In sci.astro sci.space & alt.privacy, jt_rask@pavo.concordia.ca (RASKU, JASON T.) writes: >Is there anything that can be done to prevent anon postings in groups that >there is no reason to post anonomously? I CAN see some people who don't >have access to a group posting anonomously but I'm sure that consideration >can be made for them. Is there ANY way that a UNIVERSAL kill file can be >created in order to keep people from posting GARBAGE anonomusly? There is >NO reason to not post publicly if you are posting something you feel is of >worth unless you CAN'T post any other way. What does the rest of the net >think of this? Who decides? Why should anyone have the right to censor postings because THEY consider it GARBAGE. (I consider posts like yours GARBAGE, but I do not dispute your right to post.) HOW DARE YOU ? Who decides if someone CAN'T post any other way? What if the content of their post threatens their job? What if it threatens their LIFE? ( If you think this is melodramatic, ask people on alt.pagan or alt.homosexual about threats against their health !) HOW DARE YOU ?!? Irresponsible crap postings are everywhere. (case in point) I doubt that BY VOLUME their are more crap postings from anonymous authors than by others. USEnet is a cooperative anarchy. If you want regulations to tell you ( and me ) what you can & cannot say, go elsewhere. * If you are unwilling to allow others to post whatever they want without restriction, STICK TO MODERATED GROUPS! * If you wish to ignore anonymous postings, USE A KILL FILE. * If you want to flame a posting, E-MAIL THE FLAME! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% For the net-novices: This thread has been being argued back & forth over more newsgroups than I care to name. In every case, the only result has been an increase in bandwidth and a lack of consensus and consideration. In any event, THIS ISSUE DOES NOT BELONG IN sci.* ANYMORE. (And no, I'm NOT saying you can't still post about it, just that those of us who want to read sci.* postings are tired of it) %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% This rant courtesy of the `New York Echo' Foundation. -- "If we outlaw stupidity, only the outlaws will be stupid." - M. Kellen -- "Pound for pound, lame puns are your best entertainment value." -- Gogo Dodo ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 1993 14:48:40 -0500 From: Pat Subject: DC reentry Newsgroups: sci.space In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: |In article <1j713pINNf8q@mirror.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: |>... the nose first trajectory conserves |>fuel, which seems to be the current tight spot in DC-Y. if they |>still have a 10,000 lb margin after construction, then maybe |>they will skip the flip over. | |Unlikely... if only because the flip is, to some extent, McDonnell-Douglas |technology that they can claim proprietary rights to. (There have been |allegations that this is the real reason why the DC design is set up |for nose-first reentry -- because base-first with an aerospike offers |McDD nothing to call its own.) But in the DC-10, is there anything that is McDac Proprietary? Most wing shapes are Govt property, cuz nasa studied them. Engines are owned by GE, Rolls, P&W.... ANd control surfaces aren't exactly patentable. What McDac and Boeing have are the skills required to build the birds. Anybody can build a piece, in fact LTV builds fueslage sections for both companies. THe real trick is putting them together. pat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 19:53:14 GMT From: "John S. Neff" Subject: Fred is dead again. Newsgroups: sci.space,talk.politics.space In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) >Subject: Re: Fred is dead again. >Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 04:17:29 GMT >In article <1993Feb5.232215.25334@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >>... Director of OMB Panetta is proposing (and Clinton seems >>to be accepting) a $12 billion NASA budget. The money is to come from >>ending Freedom and ASRM. > >Latest news: Clinton has denied any plan to terminate Fred, although >he has not ruled out cutting it back. >-- >C++ is the best example of second-system| Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology >effect since OS/360. | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry According to a New York Times article Saturday the proposals to cut SSF and the super collider were trial balloons. The Clinton proposals recieved a hostile reaction from the supporters of these projects in congress. The NYT called both of these projects scientific pork barrel. If the congressional opponents of these projects make an attempt to eliminate them, the Clinton administration probably would not fight to keep them. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 1993 14:51:03 -0500 From: Pat Subject: Fred is dead again. Newsgroups: sci.space,talk.politics.space Rumour has it that SSC went on the block too. However, don't hold your breath. IN DC, nothing dies. The contractors are spending 30 million on PR this week alone. Look for major ads. So waht re-write of the NASA act is likely???? pat ------------------------------ Date: 7 Feb 1993 00:29:20 GMT From: Jeff Foust Subject: Fred is dead again. Newsgroups: sci.space,talk.politics.space In a recent article prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >However, don't hold your breath. IN DC, nothing dies. The contractors >are spending 30 million on PR this week alone. Look for major ads. I don't doubt that. Friday afternoon I called up the communications office at McDonnell Douglas in Huntington Beach for reasons entirely unrelated to SSF. The person I talked to said he would get back to me on Monday morning because "we're in panic mode about the space station right now." Thinking he was referring to the reports of cost overruns on SSF work as reported in Space News, I didn't completely understand him until I caught the evening news... -- Jeff Foust Senior, Geophysics/Planetary Science, Caltech jafoust@cco.caltech.edu jeff@scn1.jpl.nasa.gov Final score of the Interstellar Space Deep Space 9 Station Championship Softball Game: Babylon 5 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 22:11:00 GMT From: "RASKU, JASON T." Subject: hilarious Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.privacy In article <1993Feb6.183234.7579@fuug.fi>, an8785@anon.penet.fi (Tesuji) writes... >X-Anon-To:sci.space,sci.astro,alt.privacy > >The response the Challenger transcript has gotten >has been hilarious. > >If you guys can't joke about bone cancer, >childhood leukemia, and facing certain >horrifying death, then you guys don't have >the perspective to call yourself adults. > >Get a life. Get *seven*. Ha ha. Is there anything that can be done to prevent anon postings in groups that there is no reason to post anonomously? I CAN see some people who don't have access to a group posting anonomously but I'm sure that consideration can be made for them. Is there ANY way that a UNIVERSAL kill file can be created in order to keep people from posting GARBAGE anonomusly? There is NO reason to not post publicly if you are posting something you feel is of worth unless you CAN'T post any other way. What does the rest of the net think of this? Jason Rasku ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 21:06:28 GMT From: Bruce Dunn Subject: In Memorium, RAH Newsgroups: sci.space > Henry Spencer writes: > > In article ssi!lfa@uunet.UU.NET ("Louis F. > Adornato") writes: > > >What I'm wondering about is the possibility of naming some sort of > >geological feature after him. Something on Venus would be appropriate, > >as all the other features there are named for women... > > Not quite, actually; Maxwell Montes is named after James Clerk Maxwell. > However, the current rule is that he is to be the only exception. Besides, > Venus is a cloud-covered hellhole; better RAH should get something with a > view of open space. For RAH (Robert A. Heinlein) I would suggest a major feature on Ganymede. The dream of colonizing a new world which is ***not*** a planet is explored in his "Farmer in the Sky", which takes place on this satellite of Jupiter. -- Bruce Dunn Vancouver, Canada Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 20:18:01 GMT From: Steve Gardner Subject: leading-edge anonymity Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.privacy In article <1993Feb4.182339.28811@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >No. Instead, it gets you all the credibility that an anonymous >posting deserves -- i.e., none. I don't agree. Although I have never posted anonymously myself I think others might legitimately use it. There are many cases where something has to be revealed but the revealer cannot accept the consequences of pissing off the powerful. Anonymity is the great equalizer--kind of like Mr. Colt's invention. This is why the powerful and their spear carriers and sympathizers resent anonymous posts. I expect that anything that threatens the status quo and tends to equalize power will be opposed by some folks. Needless to say, even today the powerful are out to ban Mr. Colt's invention in this country, All I got to say is get used to it, it won't go away. On a side note, when can we get off the crying about the the infamous Challenger post. I missed it but I can't imagine why people are so emotional about it. What does it change? We already know that those people are dead. The circumstances of the last moments of their lives are far less important than the reason for their death. We know they died because of incompetence and political favor currying at NASA. Some people speak in hushed tones about the space program and of astronauts as if they were some sort of ubermensch and more deserving of respect and awe than the rest of us. Get a life trekkies. Grow up and get off the space kick. Its over. The great manned space dream-adventure is over. You can wake up now and find a new topic to go ballistic over. smg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 20:25:35 GMT From: Steve Gardner Subject: leading-edge anonymity Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.privacy In article williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes: >The idea that you have to have 'courage' to post non-anonymously is >some sorta macho game: "if you were a 'real man' you would sign your >name (so we can later harrass and beat the *#$% out of you)." As a >general rule, anytime someone tells me I'm not being a "real man", or >uses loaded words like "courage" and "immaturity" I find they are trying >to manipulate my behaviour along some lines they find acceptable. I >dislike such manipulation. I am careful to try to NOT change my behaviour, >(including not increasing the disliked behaviour), since I desire >to ignore such manipulating actions. You have hit the nail right on the head here. Thanks for posting this very perceptive response. >It seems this whole little discussion got started when some anon >poster posted an alleged transcript of the challenger crew conversations. >If you take the attitude that 'nothing is sacred', you can just read >that person's posting and say "Huh. Maybe it happened that way, maybe >it didn't." and go on with life. To get really upset about it seems >to be showing a lack of perspective. If you don't like it, ignore >it -- maybe it will go away. This is really on target. Thank you. I wish the folks who live vicariously through the space program would get a life and get that trekkie-monkey off their back. It makes them unable to think rationally about what was a rather silly thing to get mad about. smg ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 93 22:59:32 GMT From: 00acearl@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: leading-edge anonymity Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.privacy I was reading this poster's post... In article <1993Feb6.202535.6975@news.eng.convex.com>, gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner) writes: > In article williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes: >>The idea that you have to have 'courage' to post non-anonymously is >>some sorta macho game: "if you were a 'real man' you would sign your >>name (so we can later harrass and beat the *#$% out of you)." As a >>general rule, anytime someone tells me I'm not being a "real man", or >>uses loaded words like "courage" and "immaturity" I find they are trying >>to manipulate my behaviour along some lines they find acceptable. I >>dislike such manipulation. I am careful to try to NOT change my behaviour, >>(including not increasing the disliked behaviour), since I desire >>to ignore such manipulating actions. > You have hit the nail right on the head here. Thanks for posting > this very perceptive response. > > >>It seems this whole little discussion got started when some anon >>poster posted an alleged transcript of the challenger crew conversations. >>If you take the attitude that 'nothing is sacred', you can just read >>that person's posting and say "Huh. Maybe it happened that way, maybe >>it didn't." and go on with life. To get really upset about it seems >>to be showing a lack of perspective. If you don't like it, ignore >>it -- maybe it will go away. > This is really on target. Thank you. I wish the folks who live > vicariously through the space program would get a life and get > that trekkie-monkey off their back. It makes them unable to > think rationally about what was a rather silly thing to get mad > about. That "trekkie monkey?" What an ass... I would like to tell this poster that I thought the "Challenger transcript" infighting was a bit ridiculous, myself and that I am a Trekkie. At the risk of turning this newsgroup into "sci.fi.trek-wars," I will insist that the poster broaden his horizons a bit and understand that there are "trekkies" who do not make unwarranted, categorical statements about other people. What an ass... The Ultimate "Trekkie," Aaron Christopher Ball State Univ. smg ------------------------------ Date: 7 Feb 93 00:31:31 GMT From: Henry Spencer Subject: Looking for orbital elements of the moon * Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1993Feb6.072211.12243@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rkornilo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ryan Korniloff) writes: >I am looking for, if they exist, orbital elements (2-line) for the moon. >If they exist or you know where I can get them please let me know by email. What do you want them for? Do bear in mind that a simple set of orbital elements isn't going to be useful for anything precise. Jan Meeus, in "Astronomical Algorithms", spends pages describing how to calculate the position of the Moon to only moderate accuracy. The Moon is far enough out from Earth that the Sun interferes significantly, while still close enough that irregularities in Earth's gravitational field matter too. -- C++ is the best example of second-system| Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology effect since OS/360. | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 15:36:00 -0500 From: Lawrence Curcio Subject: Molecular Weight (Was Re: kerosene/peroxide SSTO) Newsgroups: sci.space Uh... this molecular weight of exhaust gasses hurting exhaust velocity is kind of a matter of perspective. At a given chamber temperature and specific heat ratio, more molecular weight hurts exhaust velocity. What actually matters most, as a limitation to exhaust velocity, is heat energy per unit mass. (After that, there are departures from ideality to consider.) Chamber temperture is an indication of heat energy *per molecule* (ideally, it is proportional). Dividing molecule-specific heat content by molecular weight converts it to energy output per unit mass. Looking at molecular weight by itself tells you nothing, and concentrating on it in isolation just allows people to confuse themselves. (And I for one need no one's permission to do this:) As for molecular weight having anything to do with thrust, that's a new one on me. At a given effective exhaust velocity, thrust is limited by the mass flow rate of the exhaust gas, which at equillibrium is limited by the mass flow rate of the liquid propellant or the mass burning rate of the solid propellant. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 1993 18:45:29 -0500 From: Cindy Posinski Subject: RESULT: sci.geo.eosdis passes 114:14 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.space,sci.astro,sci.geo.fluids,sci.geo.geology,sci.geo.meteorology The vote for the creation of the sci.geo.eosdis has ended (January 27, 1993). The results of the Call For Votes (CFV) are listed below. The group passes, 114 yes votes to 14 no votes. Regarding the group submission names, I've set up eosdis@boa.gsfc.nasa.gov as the e-mail address where normal news postings can be sent and eosdis-request@boa.gsfc.nasa.gov where people can send e-mail to me directly. 114 YES Votes Received ---------------------- elm@terrorism.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Ethan Miller) yee@spectre.arc.nasa.gov (Peter Yee) williams@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Tom Williams) muttiah@ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah) ta-psc10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Po Shan Cheah) scott@abyss.ATMOS.ColoState.EDU (Scott Denning) matsu@undead.cc.nagasaki-u.ac.jp (Masao Matsumoto Moriyama) cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Joe Cain) mwarren@us.oracle.com (Mark Warren) rtp1@midway.uchicago.edu (Raymond Thomas Pierrehumbert) schone_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Robs) okabe@unixg.ubc.ca (Ian Okabe) gmeeth%imagine@sdsu.edu (Glenn Meeth) frode@dxcern.cern.ch (Frode Weierud) LGZGWD@VAX.CCC.NOTTINGHAM.AC.UK (Grant Denkinson) cnd@meteorology.edinburgh.ac.uk (Charles N Duncan) K_GARRISON@UNHH.UNH.EDU harwood@meteorology.edinburgh.ac.uk (Bob Harwood) tday@ps.ucl.ac.uk (Tim Day) newman@aeolus.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul A. Newman) green@summer.atms.purdue.edu (Robert N. Green) rainer_bars@hut.fi (Rainer B{rs) stdvax::peipyy (PETER YASUDA) plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) mark@strider.tfo.arizona.edu (Mark W. Bultman) justus@eas.gatech.edu (Jere Justus) peters@eosnic.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dave Peters) fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) krajnakm%venus.dnet@gte.com (Mike Krajnak) blake@spso.gsfc.nasa.gov (Debbie Blake) turner@bigbang.astro.indiana.edu legler@kelvin.ocean.fsu.edu (David M. rhess%nbmg.unr.edu@equinox.UNR.EDU (Ronald Hess) westphal@sundog.arc.nasa.gov (Doug Westphal) haynes@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Lori Haynes) wratt_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz phil@geog.ubc.ca (Phil Austin) lshure@mathworks.com (Loren Shure) mckie@sky.arc.nasa.gov (Bill McKie) bowman@csrp.tamu.edu (Kenneth P. Bowman) ecisnero@natasha.wr.usgs.gov (Ernie Cisneros) ksh@hobbes.boeing.com (K. Scott Hunziker) fraietta@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Mike Fraietta) marchant@cea.Berkeley.EDU (Will Marchant) eliason@merlin.llnl.gov (Donald Eliason) georgm@ulysses.atmos.coloState.edu (Georg Mayr) SURESH@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV (Suresh) midaily@dal.mobil.com (Dr. Mike Daily) walker@fog.arc.nasa.gov (Annette Walker) selkirk@telsci.arc.nasa.gov (Henry Selkirk) SHOTLAND@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV (Larry Shotland) SJGSAC@WSUVM1.CSC.WSU.EDU (Steven J. Gill) keith@baby.pgd.hawaii.edu (Keith Horton) chase@eqsun.geo.arizona.edu (Clement Chase) gpetty@rain.atms.purdue.edu (Grant W. Petty) john.mckeon@edm.arco.com (John B. McKeon) pa0u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter D. Ashcroft) msawyer@mael.soest.hawaii.edu (Michael Sawyer) frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes) chladil@geo.geol.utas.edu.au (Mark Chladil) u883550@geo.geol.utas.edu.au (Christopher Mark Lasdauskas) ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us (Gregory G. Woodbury) toyomi@jwasun1.jwa.go.jp (Toyomi Sakamoto) buffet@gandalf.inria.fr (Georges Buffet) BSCHLESINGER@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV hipskind@cloud1.arc.nasa.gov (Steve Hipskind) Dack@p8677.f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dack) neilson@chaph.usc.edu (Alex Neilson) randy@vista4.pnl.gov bobh@hwr.arizona.edu (Bob Harrington) bob@kc2wz.bubble.org (Bob Billson) JLVALERO@estec.estec.esa.nl (Juan Valero_Gomez) dem@hep.net (David E. Martin) aa556@freenet.carleton.ca (Ray Moyneur) butler@boa.gsfc.nasa.gov (Todd Butler) veum@boa.gsfc.nasa.gov (Gary Veum) GFISHER@JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU (George Fisher) dt4%cs@hub.ucsb.edu (David E. Goggin) adelaide@cs.sungshin.ac.kr (Kim Suk Kyoung) lee@tachu.atmos.colostate.edu (Tsengdar Lee) miletta@atmos.washington.edu (Jennifer Miletta) MESSINALC@ssv004.ssd.loral.com schiess@voyager.larc.nasa.govi (James R Schiess) calvo@killians.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sherri Calvo) GOVE094@TWNMOE10.BITNET WHITEMAN@IPFWVM.BITNET MJQUINN@PUCC.BITNET (Michael Quinn) ORUU8316@TRITU.BITNET (Adil ERDEM) beaver@hops.larc.nasa.gov (Guy Beaver) S234577@TWNCU865.BITNET (PENG) rauste@vttins.vtt.fi (Yrjo Rauste) DORMAN@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Gary Dorman) jerry@ccpo.odu.edu (Jerry L. Miller) randy@kean.ucs.mun.ca (Randy Dodge) buri@litho1.phys.ualberta.ca (Michael Burianyk) elewis@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ed Lewis) MAJOR@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV (G.R.Major) dlhpfm.uucp!dlh@ab.com (daniel lance herrick) mddettin@w107pcasnd.wr.usgs.gov (Mike D. Dettinger) HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV (Bill Higgins) hmueller@orca.tamu.edu (Hal Mueller) billl@access.digex.com (Bill Livingston) TERRI@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV (TERRI SHAFFER) mbussman.520@postman.gsfc.nasa.gov (Marie Bussman) maring@magician.larc.nasa.gov (Lise Maring) WP@NSSDC.GSFC.NASA.GOV (Lynda Williams) wolfrom@spso.gsfc.nasa.gov (Terri Wolfrom) berger@cs.uchicago.edu neilson@skat.usc.edu (D. Alex Neilson) SJGSAC@WSUVM1.CSC.WSU.EDU (Steven J. Gill) jgernatt.520@postman.gsfc.nasa.gov jmontgomery.520@postman.gsfc.nasa.gov (Judy Montgomery) FOWLER@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sharon Fowler) 14 NO Votes Received -------------------- rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) emcguire@mother.intellection.com beardsl@dal.mobil.com (Reginald Beardsley) jakirwi%charlieb@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Jean Kirwin) schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder) chance!pseudo!mjn@sq.com (Murray Nesbitt) djoyce@black.clarku.edu (Dave Joyce) noah@cad.gatech.edu (Noah White) mhpower@Athena.MIT.EDU trier@slc6.INS.CWRU.Edu (Stephen Trier) rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson) peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu (Leonard J. Peirce) ngse18@castle.edinburgh.ac.uk (J R Evans) YES VOTES - 114 NO VOTES - 14 Eighty-Nine percent (89%) of the votes received are in favor of creating the sci.geo.eosdis newsgroup. This percentage meets the 2/3 margin requirement. I would like to thank everyone who participated in the voting process. Thanks, Cindy Posinski ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 19:11:07 GMT From: Richard Ottolini Subject: Satellite Imagery Newsgroups: sci.image.processing,sci.aeronautics,sci.astro,sci.geo.geology,sci.geo.meteorology,sci.misc,sci.space,alt.sci.image-facility In article <1kvoboINNml2@news.cerf.net> rbence@logiconultra.com (Richard Bence) writes: > >I am seeking information for a colleague concerning space borne >platforms for synthetic aperture radar imagery that is in the >public domain. As an example, SEASAT which I believe was orbited >in the mid 80's and managed by NOAA. If anyone out there on the >Internet either knows of or is involved with present or past >systems of this type, would they please email Richard Bence at >rbence@logiconultra.com to begin a dialog. > >Also anyone with any information on side-looking synthetic >aperture radar implementations on air borne platforms would also >be welcome to communicate. There is very little such data before four new satellites went up in 1992. Good timing. There is a major conference on the subject not far from you starting Monday- ERIM Remote Sensing Conference at the Doubletree Hotel in Pasadena Feb 8-11. As for public domain, good luck. None of the SAR sats is American due to the sorry state of our space exploration program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 21:32:48 GMT From: Bruce Dunn Subject: Space Station Freedom Media Handbook - Comments Newsgroups: sci.space I have posted the "Space Station Freedom Media Handbook" from NASA SPACELINK over the last several days, as a series of files (as received from SPACELINK). I tried to space the postings out so that they would be received in order, and so that they would not comprise a large fraction of the messages on any one day. I have had a couple of comments by E-mail that information in the files is out of date. I invite anyone with specific information which can act as a correction to the files, to publically post the information. The files themselves were obtained just a couple of days ago from SPACELINK, which is NASA's attempt to provide up-to-date information for the public. Most files bear a date in October 1992, but it is not clear whether a file date in October actually represents a revision of the information at that time. Whether or not the information in the posted files is correct, it does represent the current information for anyone contacting SPACELINK, which has the mandate of making NASA information publically available. I invite E-mail (not postings) as to whether anyone has found this exercise useful, and whether the use of network bandwidth is justified for transmission of such material for those who don't have FTP or telnet capability to get the information themselves. -- Bruce Dunn Vancouver, Canada Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 93 22:31:06 EST From: Peter Curtis Subject: where isi old digest Could you tell me there are any back archives and where they are located. I am interested in finding some missing issues. Thank you I really enjory the digest Robert Hall pcurtis@capcon.net ------------------------------ End of Space Digest Volume 16 : Issue 149 ------------------------------