Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 18:43:01 From: Space Digest maintainer Reply-To: Space-request@isu.isunet.edu Subject: Space Digest V16 #178 To: Space Digest Readers Precedence: bulk Space Digest Sat, 13 Feb 93 Volume 16 : Issue 178 Today's Topics: Discovery Missions Selected for Further Study extreme responses to Challenger transcript (2 msgs) Getting people into Space Program! (4 msgs) In defense of sick humour (was Re: Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger) Other shuttles (was Re: Getting people into Space Program!) parachutes on Challenger? Peekskill Meteorite (2 msgs) Space Icons wind on the moon? Women in EVA (was Re: Question Help !) Welcome to the Space Digest!! Please send your messages to "space@isu.isunet.edu", and (un)subscription requests of the form "Subscribe Space " to one of these addresses: listserv@uga (BITNET), rice::boyle (SPAN/NSInet), utadnx::utspan::rice::boyle (THENET), or space-REQUEST@isu.isunet.edu (Internet). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Feb 1993 16:48 UT From: Ron Baalke Subject: Discovery Missions Selected for Further Study Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary Donald L. Savage Headquarters, Washington, D.C. February 11, 1993 (Phone: 202/358-1727) RELEASE: 93-027 NASA SELECTS 11 DISCOVERY MISSION CONCEPTS FOR STUDY NASA today announced the selection of 11 new science mission concepts in the Discovery Program which have been identified for further study during this fiscal year. The mission candidates were selected from 73 concepts discussed at the Discovery Mission Workshop held at the San Juan Capistrano Research Institute in San Juan Capistrano, Calif., last Nov. 16-20. The potential projects were those considered to have the highest scientific value as well as a reasonable chance of meeting strict budgetary guidelines. Discovery missions are designed to proceed from development to flight in less than 3 years, combining well-defined objectives, proven instruments and flight systems, costs limited to no more than $150 million and acceptance of a greater level of risk. "These missions represent a bold new way of doing business at NASA," said NASA Administrator Dan Goldin. "By accepting a greater level of risk, we can deliver high-return missions that are cost-effective, quicker from concept to launch, and responsive to the present budget climate. They promise to revolutionize the way we carry out planetary science in the next century." "The Discovery Program is probably the most exciting new initiative in planetary exploration," said Dr. Wesley T. Huntress, Jr., Director of NASA's Solar System Exploration Division. "We now will be able to more effectively take advantage of emerging technology and quickly - and relatively cheaply - undertake more new missions of discovery than at anytime since the beginning of the space age. Also, because of the shorter time frames and lower costs, these missions will allow greater participation from the academic and aerospace communities," Huntress said. The 11 mission concepts to be studied are: % Mercury Polar Flyby has an objective to study the polar caps and complete the photographic reconnaissance of the planet. Principal Investigator: Paul D. Spudis, Lunar and Planetary Institute, Houston. % Hermes Global Orbiter to Mercury involves remote sensing of the planet's surface, atmosphere and magnetosphere. Principal Investigator: Robert Nelson, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. % Venus Multiprobe Mission involves placement of 14 small entry probes over one hemisphere of Venus to measure winds, temperature and pressure. Principal Investigator: Richard Goody, Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass. % Venus Composition Probe enters Venus' atmosphere in daylight to measure atmospheric structure and composition on a parachute descent. Principal Investigator: Larry W. Esposito, University of Colorado, Boulder. % Cometary Coma Chemical Composition aims to rendezvous with a cometary nucleus at or near perihelion and conduct 100 days of scientific operations. Principal Investigator: Glenn C. Carle, NASA Ames Research Center, Mountain View, Calif. % Mars Upper Atmosphere Dynamics, Energetics and Evolution Mission will study Mars' upper atmosphere and ionosphere. Principal Investigator: Timothy Killeen, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. % Comet Nucleus Tour involves study of three comets during a 5-year mission, focusing on structure and composition of the nucleus. Principal Investigator: Joseph Veverka, Cornell University, Ithica, N.Y. % Small Missions to Asteroids and Comets involves four separate spacecraft launches to study distinctly different types of comets and asteroids. Principal Investigator: Michael Belton, National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tuscon, Ariz. % Near Earth Asteroid Returned Sample will acquire samples from six sites on a near-Earth asteroid and return them to Earth for study. Principal Investigator: Eugene Shoemaker, U.S. Geological Survey, Flagstaff, Ariz. % Earth Orbital Ultraviolet Jovian Observer will study the Jovian system from Earth orbit with a spectroscopic imaging telescope. Principal Investigator: Paul Feldman, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore. % Solar Wind Sample Return mission aims at collecting and returning solar wind material to Earth for analysis. Principal Investigator: Don Burnett, Calif. Institute of Technology, Pasadena. In addition, three concepts also were targeted for further consideration this fiscal year. They are: % Mainbelt Asteroid Rendezvous Explorer would rendezvous and orbit the mainbelt asteroids Iris or Vesta. Principal Investigator: Joseph Veverka, Cornell University, Ithica, N.Y. % Comet Nucleus Penetrator would rendezvous with a comet and deploy a penetrator into its nucleus. Principal Investigator: William V. Boynton, University of Arizona, Tuscon. % Mars Polar Pathfinder involves a lander which will carry out subsurface exploration of the northern Martian polar cap by radar and a probe to measure ice quantities and temperature. Principal Investigator: David A. Paige, University of Calif. at Los Angeles. "It was a difficult task narrowing the list down," said Dr. Richard Vorder Bruegge, a member of the Discovery Advanced Study Review Group which made the selections. A formal competition to make final selections of the missions to be conducted will be announced possibly next year. "The formal selection process will be open to all interested parties. Anyone will be able to submit a proposal for a Discovery mission in the formal competition," said Vorder Bruegge. "These proposals will have to be more extensive than the studies and include science rationale, spacecraft design, observations, data systems -- a start-to-finish proposal for a new mission." The 11 mission concepts selected follow the first two Discovery missions selected for Phase A studies last year. They are the Mars Environmental Survey (MESUR) Pathfinder, planned for launch in 1996, and the Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous (NEAR), planned for a 1998 launch. Phase A studies of the MESUR Pathfinder mission was awarded to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. (JPL). The Applied Physics Laboratory of Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md. (APL), has been awarded Phase A studies of the NEAR mission. MESUR Pathfinder is envisioned as a technical demonstration and validation flight for the MESUR program, scheduled to begin in 1999. The MESUR program calls for building a network of about 16 small automated surface stations widely scattered around Mars to study the planet's internal structure, meteorology and local surface properties. NEAR would spend up to a year station-keeping with a near- Earth asteroid. The NEAR spacecraft, probably carrying only three instruments, would assess the asteroid's mass, size, density and spin rate, map its surface topography and composition, determine its internal properties and study its interaction with the interplanetary environment. "The study of planets provides other planetary examples against which to compare our own Earth, in order to understand better how planet Earth works and how it behaves," said Huntress. "The study of the solar system, and the planetary bodies within it, also will help us to understand how our solar system formed, how other solar systems might form around other stars, and therefore lead us to answer whether or not there are other Earths and other life in the universe. "To understand the uniqueness of the Earth, we need to understand the other rocky planets in the solar system -- Mercury, Venus and Mars. To find clues to the origin and evolution of the solar system we need to examine and return samples from the oldest and most primitive objects in the solar system -- comets and asteroids," Huntress said. The Discovery Program is managed by the Solar System Exploration Division of the Office of Space Science and Applications, NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C. - end - EDITOR'S NOTE: The Discovery Program Workshop Summary report, containing a list of the 73 mission concepts presented at the Discovery Mission Workshop at La Jolla, Calif., is available by calling the NASA Headquarters Newsroom at 202/358-1600. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Never yell "Movie!" in a /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | crowded fire station. |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 16:59:26 GMT From: fred j mccall 575-3539 Subject: extreme responses to Challenger transcript Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.privacy,comp.org.eff.talk In lord@tradent.wimsey.com (Jason Cooper) writes: >> Let me see if I've got this. As an anonymous poster, you think he is >> entitled to post any sort of stupid drivel that he cares to, but that >> people ought not to be permitted to post flames toasting him for being >> an idiot? Sorry, if he doesn't like the flames (or knowing what >> peoples' opinions of him are -- no 'flame' required; he's an idiot), >> then he has the options of not acting like an idiot or of hitting 'N' >> himself. Seems more than equitable to me. >> >> -- >> "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live >> in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for m >I never said you SHOULDN'T flame him; I said that there's no reason TO >flame him. If you don't like his ideas, hit 'N'. If you do, read. Just >because you don't like a guy's ideas is no reason to call him an IDIOT. >By doing so you're proving that that's exactly what YOU are. Nonsense. This non sequitor is rather like saying that recognizing that a wall is green and calling it green proves that you are green. -- "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 17:09:56 GMT From: fred j mccall 575-3539 Subject: extreme responses to Challenger transcript Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.privacy,comp.org.eff.talk In lord@tradent.wimsey.com (Jason Cooper) writes: >> > Let me see if I've got this. As an anonymous poster, you think he is >> > entitled to post any sort of stupid drivel that he cares to, but that >> > people ought not to be permitted to post flames toasting him for being >> > an idiot? Sorry, if he doesn't like the flames (or knowing what >> > peoples' opinions of him are -- no 'flame' required; he's an idiot), >> > then he has the options of not acting like an idiot or of hitting 'N' >> > himself. Seems more than equitable to me. >> > >> > -- >> > "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live >> > in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for >I must add, as a second message, that if he was posting that because he >gets high on watching others freak, you're doing a DAMN good job of >satisfying him! Well, sorry to disappoint you and him, but I'm not 'freaking'; merely commenting on what he is. -- "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 16:48:18 GMT From: Mary Shafer Subject: Getting people into Space Program! Newsgroups: sci.space On Fri, 12 Feb 1993 13:50:39 GMT, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) said: AWS> In article hugh@huia.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Hugh Emberson) writes: >Why is just about everything the US millitary does/uses called Have or >Pave? AWS> I think it is part of the naming system. Every 'Pave' program I have AWS> ever worked on or had access to had something to do with radar. I don't AWS> know what 'Have' means (if anything). Perhaps Mary can give a better AWS> answer. Different commands use different prefixes. Since each command has an area of expertise, it's not surprising to see such groupings. The second word is usually chosen to be distinct but to have no relationship with the actual project. This is an obvious security measure. As I recall. there was a Pave something that was an FAE and another that was a quick-repair system for runways (Pave Pave?), so it's not just radar. I think that Pave belongs to Materiel Command, formerly known as Systems Command. This is hardly surprising, since they're the people who are tasked with the specification, acquisition, and testing process for new systems. Back in the early 70's, Have referred to personnel programs, as in Have Gold which was a program for sending qualified NCOs to college and then commissioning them. The USAF Test Pilot School uses a meaningful second word for their class projects--Have Blinders for a limited visibility study, Have Drag for a study of F-16 drag in power approach with stores, Have ATLAS for the study they did using my ATLAS equipment (Adaptable Target Lighting Array System), and so forth. Maybe Have is used for unclassified programs? -- Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA "A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all." Unknown US fighter pilot ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 93 17:24:33 GMT From: "Dr. Norman J. LaFave" Subject: Getting people into Space Program! Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1993Feb12.100424.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey, higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov writes: > This is massively unfair to both the leadership of NASA and the troops > in the trenches-- including all the people on the Net who are working > on SSF and things that support it. > > You may hold the opinion that they are deluded, wasteful, or foolish. > But they are NOT apathetic. The real people working on this thing > *really want to see it fly*. Managers who have gone before Congress > again and again for ten years to fight for Fred are not doing it to > make contractors fatter. They're doing it because they believe > America needs a space station. > > You want to change things. I think insulting people is a mighty poor > way to do it. > > If you want them to come around to your way of thinking, you need to > earn their respect. Thanks Bill. I couldn't have said it better myself. As you know Allen, I am a big proponent of your beloved SSTO concept and I am lobbying hard for its continued funding. However, I take GREAT exception to your contention that hardly anybody cares if Freedom flies. I gave up an opportunity to obtain a job at twice the salary because I (and many others) care deeply about the success of NASA's space exploration efforts. It has driven us to exasperation to see the government micro-management in the name of "cost-cutting" delay our efforts, drive up our long-term cost, and lessen the station's capability. Despite this, we continue to work long hours (many unpaid) to see Freedom become a success. If you really want to see your SSTO fly, you need the support of those of us in the NASA community. I guarantee if 100,000 of us lose our jobs because of a stupid boondoggle like cutting Freedom, you can forget that support and kiss your own baby good-bye. Learn the art of compromise and diplomacy Allen. Without it, you become a burden on the very effort you support. Norman Dr. Norman J. LaFave Senior Engineer Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro Hunter Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 16:43:42 GMT From: fred j mccall 575-3539 Subject: Getting people into Space Program! Newsgroups: sci.space In <1993Feb12.135039.15798@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >In article hugh@huia.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Hugh Emberson) writes: >>Why is just about everything the US millitary does/uses called Have or >>Pave? >I think it is part of the naming system. Every 'Pave' program I have >ever worked on or had access to had something to do with radar. I don't >know what 'Have' means (if anything). Perhaps Mary can give a better answer. I'm not sure what it is, either, but it's not just radar. Electro-optic and laser targeting seem to be included in the namespace. Examples abound around here. Paveway (laser or electro-optic guided munitions package), Pave Penny (laser illuminator for some aircraft), etc. One heard Pave for a *lot* of the 'smart weapon' coverage from the Gulf War. -- "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 17:23:46 GMT From: Jeff Bytof Subject: Getting people into Space Program! Newsgroups: sci.space In article nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: >From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) >I'm not saying the US should `invest' in random shoddy tractor parts >or something; I'm saying money should be spent on those things the >Russians do _better_ and _cheaper_ than the US, and that the rewards >will be _both_ a better space program _and_ a better international >situation. Won't that make the Russians more dependent on us than ever? I would think they would realize it's more in their interest to make better tractor parts and consumer items, rather that depend on contracts from the US government that would only stimulate a limited sector of the Russian economy. -rabjab ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 93 17:05:52 GMT From: Mary Shafer Subject: In defense of sick humour (was Re: Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger) Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle On 12 Feb 93 14:22:35 GMT, hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup) said: HT> In article , irby@athena.cs.uga.edu writes: HT> |>probably the worst setbacks ever for the space program and all these people HT> |>could do was crack sick jokes. HT> Sick humour is a defense mechanism. It means "if I were serious about HT> this, I couldn't bear it". Not everyone reacts the same way. HT> Although I remember the Apollo 1 Grisson Chaffee White fire, I don't HT> remember any jokes about it. Probably because the accident itself was HT> not televised live. The jokes were around--trust me. Now that the shock and grief have worn off, they're incredibly tasteless, as are the Challenger jokes. But at the time, they were, as you point out, a coping mechanism. Actually, one usually hears the best sick jokes from the people most closely involved--I've heard a lot from fighter pilots, test pilots, astronauts. And doctors and nurses and firemen and policemen have a lot of these jokes; they probably couldn't continue in their jobs without them. M*A*S*H was a pretty accurate show, even if they did tone it down a lot. You will notice, however, that the "de mortuis nil nisi bonum" taboo still holds; the jokes are impersonal. We don't tell Judy Reznick or Dick Scobee jokes, we tell dead astronaut jokes. There are rules of taste still operating. -- Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA "A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all." Unknown US fighter pilot ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 93 18:59:34 GMT From: George Hastings Subject: Other shuttles (was Re: Getting people into Space Program!) Newsgroups: sci.space Matthew DeLuca (matthew@phantom.gatech.edu ) writes: > Well, the Russians are still planning to launch their shuttle again (I forget > the date, unfortunately) so I'd say it's not dead. As I understand it, the > original batch of problems they had were technical, and since then the breakup > of the USSR has caught up with them. Maybe you've had contact with DIFFERENT Russian space program sources than I have. When I was at Zhvuzhdny Gorodok for a week of cosmonaut training last June/July, I specifically asked a number of RSA scientists and engineers there when Buran might be scheduled for another launch, and the consenus was, "probably never!" > > The point I am getting at, I would say, is that with the sole exception of the > Russians, nobody is considering using disposable capsules for their manned > access to space, and the Russians themselves are or were trying to get away > from it. Seems like everyone's trying to forward, except for certain elements > here in the U.S. I don't think so. The Soyuz-TM has undergone a long series of upgrades, and we flew rendezvous and dockin SIMs in it. Although it is REALLY small for three people, It's success rate is excellent, and the KURS rendezvous and docking radar usd between the MIR and Soyuz-TM is good enough that I have heard that NASA is considering a formal evaluation of it for use on FRed (That's FRED AFTER Clinton's 40% additional cut in funding! 8-) ____________________________________________________________ | George Hastings ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu | | Space Science Teacher 72407,22@compuserve.com | | Mathematics & Science Center 1-18410@link.cojones.com | | 2304 Hartman Street OFFICE: 804-343-6525 | | Richmond, VA 23223 FAX: 804-343-6529 | ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 17:36:20 GMT From: Henry Spencer Subject: parachutes on Challenger? Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1993Feb12.052428.10628@olaf.wellesley.edu> lhawkins@annie.wellesley.edu (R. Lee Hawkins) writes: >>The right solution for future vehicles is the one used today for airliners: >>build them redundant and fail-safe so you don't *need* escape systems. Any >>escape system is far inferior to being able to save the whole vehicle. > >I'm not sure the above is a very valid engineering or statistical comparison. >Airliners fly thousands of flights each day while the Shuttle flys less >than 12 per *year*. To build things that don't fail, you have to >understand all the failure modes, both expected and unexpected (remember >the Comet? The DC-10 engines?), and this unfortunately seems to require >a few crashes now and then and some of deaths... Precisely. Practical spaceships will have to have turnaround times short enough that they can fly at least a few hundred test flights before they enter operational service -- there is no other way to test them adequately, regardless of what NASA says -- and their programs will have to be set up to tolerate occasional crashes, because crashes *will* happen no matter what you do. We've already had one, plus a few near-misses, in the early test phase of the Shuttle. (Don't kid yourself; fifty flights is still the early test phase, regardless of what it's called.) >... Also, the shuttle is just a *wee* bit more complicated >than a DC-10 or 747... No it's not. A few parts of it undergo higher stresses, but the overall complexity is quite similar. -- C++ is the best example of second-system| Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology effect since OS/360. | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 1993 16:28 UT From: Ron Baalke Subject: Peekskill Meteorite Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro In article , Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook) writes... >In article <9FEB199319005088@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Ron Baalke) writes: > >>The meteorite that went through the trunk of the car in Peekskill, New York, >>last October is on display at the Best Western Executive Inn in Tuscon, >>Arizona... >This has probably been asked and answered a hundred times, but I'd like >to know who owns this baby. If I wake up tomorrow and find a 25-pound >metorite in my trunk, am I allowed to keep it and sell it to the highest >bidder? It depends on where it lands. If it lands on private property in the U.S., then it is yours. I'm not sure what the rule is on public land. In Australia, the government lays claim to all meteorites found there, and other countries do so also. The Peekskill meteorite landed on private property and hit the car of 18 year old Michelle Knapp. The meteorite and the car was purchased by a group of three individuals for an undisclosed amount, but I believe it to be in the $80,000 range. This was rather high for the meteorite was a rather common stone meteorite, but the publicity of the event drove the price up. The meteorite/car were then placed at the Tuscon Gem Show on consignment. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Never yell "Movie!" in a /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | crowded fire station. |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 1993 16:33 UT From: Ron Baalke Subject: Peekskill Meteorite Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro In article <1993Feb11.231801.14408@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes... >What is the normal price for meteorites? > There is a tremendous range, and it depends on the meteorite, and they can go from .10/gram to 1000/gram. Iron meteorites tend to go for $1-$2/gram, stone meteorites from $2-$20/gram, and stony-irons from $5-$25/gram. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Never yell "Movie!" in a /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | crowded fire station. |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 1993 10:49:43 -0500 (EST) From: JSEXTON@UNCA.EDU Subject: Space Icons I have several astronomy and Space related files in Windows,that were without icons.I'd like to get some icons to use for them and wonder if anyone can tell me where I can obtain some, either by FTP or a program offered by some company? ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 93 17:28:44 GMT From: "David S. Oderberg" Subject: wind on the moon? Newsgroups: sci.space Is there anyone out there - perhaps from JPL? - who might solve the following problem. I am aware that there is supposed to be no wind on the moon, since there is no atmosphere. There is certainly no wind capable of blowing a flag. On the well-known "one small step for man" film, the flag stands bolt upright, held up, it is said, by wire supports. So far so good. But I _also_ recently saw film, said by the presenter (a non-NASA physicist) to be NASA film of an Apollo mission, 11 if I recall (not sure), in which the US flag FLUTTERS as if in a strong breeze. It well and truly WAVES and FLAPS as surely as it would have had it been in a strong breeze on Earth. I cannot recall for certain whether it was a colour film, but I _think_ so. It was of higher quality than the "one small step" grainy b&w film. What is the explanation? Several have been suggested to me on email, all of them, to my mind, ludicrous: gas from the space suits, exhaust from the module, a practical joke by an astronaut (there were _no_ hands on the flagpole, though there were astonauts moving around, if I recall), optical illusion, trick photography. My eyes did not deceive me. It fluttered, long and hard. Suggestions welcome. David ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 93 19:11:07 GMT From: George Hastings Subject: Women in EVA (was Re: Question Help !) Newsgroups: sci.space (gawne@stsci.edu) writes: > In article <1993Feb11.170254.1259@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, > mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) asks: > > > Has there been a female space-walker? > > Seems I recall seeing Kathy Sullivan suited up on some mission or other. > Can't recall the specific mission. Actually, the FIRST female space-walker was Svetlana Savitskaya, whoe worked in an Orland EVA space suit outside the MIR Space Station several months before Kathy Sulliva became the first American female spacewalker. ____________________________________________________________ | George Hastings ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu | | Space Science Teacher 72407,22@compuserve.com | | Mathematics & Science Center 1-18410@link.cojones.com | | 2304 Hartman Street OFFICE: 804-343-6525 | | Richmond, VA 23223 FAX: 804-343-6529 | ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro Subject: It followed me home, can I keep it? (was Re: Peekskill Meteorite) Message-Id: <1993Feb12.094035.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> Date: 12 Feb 93 15:40:35 GMT References: <9FEB199319005088@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov Sender: news@CRABAPPLE.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU Source-Info: Sender is really isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU In article , Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook) writes: > In article <9FEB199319005088@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >>The going price for both the remaining 12 pound meteorite and the car is >>$125,000. > > This has probably been asked and answered a hundred times, but I'd like > to know who owns this baby. If I wake up tomorrow and find a 25-pound > metorite in my trunk, am I allowed to keep it and sell it to the highest > bidder? Yes. Unless God asks for it back. "Do you know the asteroids, Mr.Kemp?... Bill Higgins Hundreds of thousands of them. All wandering around the Sun in strange Fermilab orbits. Some never named, never charted. The orphans of the Solar higgins@fnal.fnal.gov System, Mr. Kemp." higgins@fnal.bitnet "And you want to become a father." --*Moon Zero Two* SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS ------------------------------ End of Space Digest Volume 16 : Issue 178 ------------------------------