Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 05:31:43 From: Space Digest maintainer Reply-To: Space-request@isu.isunet.edu Subject: Space Digest V16 #437 To: Space Digest Readers Precedence: bulk Space Digest Thu, 8 Apr 93 Volume 16 : Issue 437 Today's Topics: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? (2 msgs) What Minerals are Cheaper on Mars? than earth? Will the launch be visible from NJ? Welcome to the Space Digest!! Please send your messages to "space@isu.isunet.edu", and (un)subscription requests of the form "Subscribe Space " to one of these addresses: listserv@uga (BITNET), rice::boyle (SPAN/NSInet), utadnx::utspan::rice::boyle (THENET), or space-REQUEST@isu.isunet.edu (Internet). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 00:09:02 GMT From: Steven Malikoff Subject: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Newsgroups: alt.history.what-if,sci.space Eric Glover (glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) wrote: : jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: : >Suppose the Soviets had managed to get their moon rocket working : >and had made it first. They could have beaten us if either: : >* Their rocket hadn't blown up on the pad thus setting them back, : >and/or : >* A Saturn V went boom. : : I speculate that: : +The Shuttle was never proposed and Skylab never built. Well, the shuttle was proposed back in the early to mid sixties, as the 'Dyna-Soar' project, and even then the concept goes back to WW2 when Saenger (?sp) sketched out an 'antipodeal bomber'. So, a reuseable space plane requirement was around long before the shuttle was built. Steve Malikoff. steven@syacus.acus.oz.au ------------------------------ Date: 7 Apr 93 17:47:24 GMT From: ChaOs Subject: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Newsgroups: alt.history.what-if,sci.space In article , dxb105@aries.anu.edu.au (David Bofinger) writes: > jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: > >> [The Soviet Union] could have beaten us if either: >> * Their rocket hadn't blown up on the pad thus setting them back, > > Didn't they lose their top rocket scientist in a car crash or > something? > >> I think that the military value of a lunar base would outweigh >> the value of going to Mars (at least in the short run). > > What military value is this? All I can think of is a reduction in > the cost of building an orbital facility, which might have an SDI > system on it. Well, ever read (for example) Robert Heinlein's _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_? A lunar colony was able to do a frightening amount of damage just by throwing rocks at earth. Luna has a lower escape velocity than Earth (no...really?), and once the rocks are out of lunar gravity they can just fall down to Earth, whee-splat, and generate a huge amount of kinetic energy. In the book the rocks were launched by magnetic catapult, but lots of things could be used, even chemical rockets. A simple guidance system, and you have a weapon that can do about as much damage as a nuke without the nice little side efects that we all know and love. ("Aw, gee, no fallout Dad?" "I'm afraid not, son.") Not to mention the reduced gravity, and easier acess to 0-G - great potential for scientific (and hence military) advancement. -- JeffJ@yang.earlham.edu -- Eagerly awaiting _real_ Internet access. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Apr 93 09:40:14 From: "Jonathan P. Gibbons" Subject: What Minerals are Cheaper on Mars? than earth? Newsgroups: sci.space I saw a prog where you land an automated space craft on mars. Its basically a feul tank. It then cycles the atmosphere and via some simple chemical reaction ends up with rocket feul - a tank full after 9 months (not sure of time scale). Then you send the manned expedition and they pump the feul thats waiting into their ship and use it to get home. ie could exploit the atmosphere for rocket feul greatly reducing payload for any ships = big bucks. Jonathan -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- With fearsome eyes and fiery breath the dragon burnt the girl to death -- from "Too Late Saint George" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 06:24:56 GMT From: Michael Moroney Subject: Will the launch be visible from NJ? Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) writes: >The subject says it all. I'm in central NJ, little southwest of New York >City. >Please answer by e-mail, since I probably will not check news before the >launch. Well, too late since it's after the launch. I was able to see it from Central Mass. as a fast- moving, bright orangish star that appeared from nowhere, moved 20 degrees, disappeared (boosters off? behind cloud?) then reappeared again even brighter for another 20 degrees then disappeared again. -Mike ------------------------------ From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu Newsgroups: sci.space Subject: THE DIVINE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE Message-Id: <1993Apr7.202253.5879@cnsvax.uwec.edu> Date: 7 Apr 93 20:22:53 -0600 Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 213 Sender: news@CRABAPPLE.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU Source-Info: Sender is really isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Although the following article is on the subject of religious studies, it illustrates some important facts about the Universe: (1) The physical universe is ONLY the LOWEST of at least a DOZEN major levels of existence. (2) Certain phenomena which seem to have no physical origin result from INTERACTIONS between the physical universe and HIGHER LEVELS. (3) It is possible for INDIVIDUALS to PERSONALLY explore the Universe, including our Solar System, using forms of "SOUL TRAVEL". Some of these forms are also known as "out-of-body travel" and "Astral projection". [This is DANGEROUS without the protection of a Perfect Living Master as described below.] THE DIVINE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that Jesus Christ was a perfect living Master, and a projection of God into the physical world, God Incarnate. But there are some very important related facts that Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are followers of most other world religions. First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16 NOTWITH- STANDING. There is ALWAYS at least one such perfect living Master (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this world AT ALL TIMES, a continuous succession THROUGHOUT HISTORY, both before and after the life of Jesus. The followers of some of these Masters founded the world's major religions, usually PERVERTING the teachings of their Master in the process. Christians, for example, added THREATS of "ETERNAL DAMNATION" in Hell, and DELETED the teaching of REincarnation. Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular Master physically dies and leaves this world, there is NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for the relatively few people that He INITIATED while He was still physically alive. (That is simply the way God set things up in the Universes.) Therefore, all those Christians who worship Jesus, and pray to Jesus, and expect Jesus to return and save them from their sins, are only KIDDING THEMSELVES, and have allowed themselves to be DUPED by a religion that was mostly MANUFACTURED by the Romans. And emotional "feelings" are a TOTALLY DECEIVING indicator for religious validity. These things are similarly true for followers of most other major world religions, including Islam. Thirdly, the primary function of each Master is to tune His Initiates into the "AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM" or "SOUND CURRENT", (referred to as "THE WORD" in John 1:1-5, and as "The River of Life" in Revelation 22:1), and to personally guide each of them thru the upper levels of Heaven while they are still connected to their living physical bodies by a "silver cord". True Salvation, which completes a Soul's cycles of REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is achieved only by reaching at least the "SOUL PLANE", which is five levels or universes above the physical universe, and this canNOT be done without the help of a Perfect LIVING Master. One such perfect Master alive today is an American, Sri Harold Klemp, the Living "Eck" Master or "Mahanta" for the "Eckankar" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis, (P.O. Box 27300; zip 55427). Another perfect living Master is Maharaj Gurinder Singh Ji, now living in Punjab, India, and is associated with the "Sant Mat" organization. One of the classic books on this subject is "THE PATH OF THE MASTERS" (Radha Soami Books, P.O. Box 242, Gardena, CA 90247), written in 1939 by Dr. Julian Johnson, a theologian and surgeon who spent the last years of his life in India studying under and closely observing the Sant Mat Master of that time, Maharaj Sawan Singh Ji. Several of the Eckankar books, including some authored by Sri Paul Twitchell or Sri Harold Klemp, can be found in most public and university libraries and some book stores, or obtained thru inter-library loan. The book "ECKANKAR--THE KEY TO SECRET WORLDS", by Sri Paul Twitchell, is ANOTHER classic. Many Christians are likely to confuse the Masters with the "Anti-Christ", which is or was to be a temporary world dictator during the so-called "last days". But the Masters don't ever rule, even when asked or expected to do so as Jesus was. People who continue following Christianity, Islam, or other orthodox religions with a physically DEAD Master, will CONTINUE on their cycles of REincarnation, between the psychic planes and this MISERABLE physical world, until they finally WISE UP! RE-INCARNATION The book "HERE AND HEREAFTER", by Ruth Montgomery, describes several kinds of evidence supporting REincarnation as a FACT OF LIFE, including HYPNOTIC REGRESSIONS to past lives, SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by young children, some of whom can identify their most recent previous relatives, homes, possessions, etc.), DREAM RECALL of past life experi- ences, DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off land while travel- ing there for the first time on vacation), the psychic read- ings of the late EDGAR CAYCE, and EVEN SUPPORTING STATEMENTS FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE including Matthew 17:11-13 (John the Baptist was the REINCARNATION of Elias.) and John 9:1-2 (How can a person POSSIBLY sin before he is born, unless he LIVED BEFORE?!). [ ALWAYS use the "KING JAMES VERSION". Later versions are PER-VERSIONS! ] Strong INTERESTS, innate TALENTS, strong PHOBIAS, etc., typically originate from a person's PAST LIVES. For example, a strong fear of swimming in or traveling over water usually results from having DROWNED at the end of a PREVIOUS LIFE. And sometimes a person will take AN IMMEDIATE DISLIKE to another person being met for the first time, because of a bad encounter with him during a PREVIOUS INCARNATION. The teaching of REincarnation also includes the LAW OF KARMA (Galatians 6:7, Revelation 13:10, etc.). People would behave much better toward each other if they knew that their actions in the present will surely be reaped by them in the future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION! "2nd COMINGS" If a Perfect Living Master physically dies ("trans- lates") before a particular Initiate of His does, then when that Initiate physically dies ("translates"), the Master will meet him on the Astral level and take him directly to the Soul Plane. This is the ONE AND ONLY correct meaning of a 2nd Coming. It is an INDIVIDUAL experience, NOT something that happens for everyone all at once. People who are still waiting for Jesus' "2nd Coming" are WAITING IN VAIN. PLANES OF EXISTENCE The physical universe is the LOWEST of AT LEAST a DOZEN major levels of existence. Above the Physical Plane is the Astral Plane, the Causal Plane, the Mental Plane, the Etheric Plane (often counted as the upper part of the Mental Plane), the Soul Plane, and several higher Spiritual Planes. The Soul Plane is the FIRST TRUE HEAVEN, (counting upward from the Physical). The planes between (but NOT including) the Physical and Soul Planes are called the Psychic Planes. It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological influences, radionic effects, biological transmutations [See the 1972 book with that title.], and other phenomena without an apparent physical origin, result from INTERACTIONS between the Psychic Planes and the Physical Plane. The major planes are also SUB-DIVIDED. For example, a sub-plane of the Astral Plane is called "Hades", and the Christian Hell occupies a SMALL part of it, created there LESS THAN 2000 YEARS AGO by the EARLY CATHOLIC CHURCH by some kind of black magic or by simply teaching its existence in a THREATENING manner. The Christian "Heaven" is located elsewhere on the Astral Plane. Good Christians will go there for a short while and then REincarnate back to Earth. SOUND CURRENT vs. BLIND FAITH The Christian religion demands of its followers an extraordinary amount of BLIND FAITH backed up by little more than GOOD FEELING (which is TOTALLY DECEIVING). If a person is not HEARING some form of the "SOUND CURRENT" ("THE WORD", "THE BANI", "THE AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"), then his cycles of REINCARNATION in this MISERABLE world WILL CONTINUE. The "SOUND CURRENT" manifests differently for different Initiates, and can sound like a rushing wind, ocean waves on the sea shore, buzzing bees, higher-pitched buzzing sound, a flute, various heavenly music, or other sounds. In Eckankar, Members start hearing it near the end of their first year as a Member. This and other experiences (such as "SOUL TRAVEL") REPLACE blind faith. UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. Robert E. McElwaine 2nd Initiate in Eckankar, (but not an agent thereof) ------------------------------ End of Space Digest Volume 16 : Issue 437 ------------------------------