Date: Sat, 24 Apr 93 05:00:09 From: Space Digest maintainer Reply-To: Space-request@isu.isunet.edu Subject: Space Digest V16 #483 To: Space Digest Readers Precedence: bulk Space Digest Sat, 24 Apr 93 Volume 16 : Issue 483 Today's Topics: Abyss--breathing fluids Billboard/Station/Space Dock? Clementine mission name COMET...when did/will she launch? Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) (4 msgs) Crazy? or just Imaginitive? Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion...) Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to... (2 msgs) Dreams and Degrees (was Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive?) Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Moonbase race, NASA resources, why? space news from Feb 15 AW&ST Space Station Redesign Chief Resigns for Health Reasons Sunrise/ sunset times Vandalizing the sky Vandalizing the sky. Welcome to the Space Digest!! Please send your messages to "space@isu.isunet.edu", and (un)subscription requests of the form "Subscribe Space " to one of these addresses: listserv@uga (BITNET), rice::boyle (SPAN/NSInet), utadnx::utspan::rice::boyle (THENET), or space-REQUEST@isu.isunet.edu (Internet). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Apr 1993 10:02:53 GMT From: Isaac Kuo Subject: Abyss--breathing fluids Newsgroups: sci.space Are breathable liquids possible? I remember seeing an old Nova or The Nature of Things where this idea was touched upon (it might have been some other TV show). If nothing else, I know such liquids ARE possible because... They showed a large glass full of this liquid, and put a white mouse (rat?) in it. Since the liquid was not dense, the mouse would float, so it was held down by tongs clutching its tail. The thing struggled quite a bit, but it was certainly held down long enough so that it was breathing the liquid. It never did slow down in its frantic attempts to swim to the top. Now, this may not have been the most humane of demonstrations, but it certainly shows breathable liquids can be made. -- *Isaac Kuo (isaackuo@math.berkeley.edu) * ___ * * _____/_o_\_____ * Twinkle, twinkle, little .sig, *(==(/_______\)==) * Keep it less than 5 lines big. * \==\/ \/==/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 08:44:24 GMT From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu Subject: Billboard/Station/Space Dock? Newsgroups: sci.space Seems that the Mile-Long Billboard and any other inflateble space object/station or what ever have the same problems. (other than being a little bit different than the "normal" space ideas, such as trusses and shuttles) But also dag and such.. Why not combine the discussion of how and fesibility to the same topic? I personnelly liek the idea of a billboard in space. But problem. How do you service it? fly a shuttle/DC-1 to near it and then dismount and "fly" to it? Or what?? or havign a special docking section for shuttle/DC-1 docking? Also what if the billboard springs a leak? Self sealing and such?? Just thinking (okay rambling).. Also why must the now inflated billboard, not be covered in the inside by a harder substance (such as a polymer or other agent) and then the now "hard" billboard would be a now giant docking structure/space dock/station?? Or am I missing something here.. (probably am!?) == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 14:29:25 GMT From: Bruce Dunn Subject: Clementine mission name Newsgroups: sci.space > Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org writes: > > Old pioneer song from the 1850's or so goes as follows: > > "In a cavern, in a canyon, > Excavating for a mine, > Dwelt a miner, forty-niner, > And his daughter, CLEMENTINE" > > Chorus: > "Oh my darling, Oh my darling, > Oh my darling Clementine. > You are lost and gone forever, > Oh my darling Clementine." Let us hope that the performance of the spacecraft follows the sentiments of the first verse (miner) rather than the second (lost and gone forever). -- Bruce Dunn Vancouver, Canada Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 15:48:06 GMT From: Norman Anderson Subject: COMET...when did/will she launch? Newsgroups: sci.space COMET (Commercial Experiment Transport) is to launch from Wallops Island Virginia and orbit Earth for about 30 days. It is scheduled to come down in the Utah Test & Training Range, west of Salt Lake City, Utah. I saw a message in this group toward the end of March that it was to launch on March 27. Does anyone know if it launched on that day, or if not, when it is scheduled to launch and/or when it will come down. I would also be interested in what kind(s) of payload(s) are onboard. Thanks for your help. Norman Anderson nanderso@endor.sim.es.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 10:30:38 GMT From: Alan Carter Subject: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary In article <22APR199323003578@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: |> 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to |> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? Thanks, Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1 Belle Vue Court |"They're unfriendly, which | Home: 0684 564438 32 Belle Vue Terrace | is fortunate, really. They'd | Away: 0628 784351 Great Malvern | be difficult to like." | Work: 0628 794137 Worcestershire | | WR14 4PZ | Kerr Avon, Blake's Seven | Temporary: agc@bnr.ca England | | Permanent: alan@gid.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 1993 15:46 UT From: Ron Baalke Subject: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary In article <1993Apr23.103038.27467@bnr.ca>, agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes... >In article <22APR199323003578@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >|> 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to >|> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. > >This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could >someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? > The Command Loss Timer is part of the fault protection scheme of the spacecraft. If the Command Loss Timer ever countdowns to zero, then the spacecraft assumes it has lost communications with Earth and will go through a set of predetermined steps to try to regain contact. The Command Loss Timer is set to 264 hours and reset about once a week during the cruise phase, and is set to a lower value during an encounter phase. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 15:44:16 GMT From: Henry Spencer Subject: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary In article <1993Apr23.103038.27467@bnr.ca> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes: >|> ... a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer ... > >This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could >someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? If I'm not mistaken, this is the usual sort of precaution against loss of communications. That timer is counting down continuously; if it ever hits zero, that means Galileo hasn't heard from Earth in a suspiciously long time and it may be Galileo's fault... so it's time to go into a fallback mode that minimizes chances of spacecraft damage and maximizes chances of restoring contact. I don't know exactly what-all Galileo does in such a situation, but a common example is to switch receivers, on the theory that maybe the one you're listening with has died. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 1993 12:28:41 -0400 From: Pat Subject: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary INteresting question about Galileo. Galileo's HGA is stuck. The HGA was left closed, because galileo had a venus flyby. If the HGA were pointed att he sun, near venus, it would cook the foci elements. question: WHy couldn't Galileo's course manuevers have been designed such that the HGA did not ever do a sun point.? After all, it would normally be aimed at earth anyway? or would it be that an emergency situation i.e. spacecraft safing and seek might have caused an HGA sun point? pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 11:24:18 GMT From: Del Cotter Subject: Crazy? or just Imaginitive? Newsgroups: sci.space <1993Apr21.205403.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >So some of my ideas are a bit odd, off the wall and such, but so was Wilbur and >Orville Wright, and quite a few others.. Sorry if I do not have the big degrees >and such, but I think (I might be wrong, to error is human) I have something >that is in many ways just as important, I have imagination, dreams. And without >dreams all the knowledge is worthless.. Oh, and us with the big degrees don't got imagination, huh? The alleged dichotomy between imagination and knowledge is one of the most pernicious fallacys of the New Age. Michael, thanks for the generous offer, but we have quite enough dreams of our own, thank you. You, on the other hand, are letting your own dreams go to waste by failing to get the maths/thermodynamics/chemistry/(your choices here) which would give your imagination wings. Just to show this isn't a flame, I leave you with a quote from _Invasion of the Body Snatchers_: "Become one of us; it's not so bad, you know" -- ',' ' ',',' | | ',' ' ',',' ', ,',' | Del Cotter mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk | ', ,',' ',' | | ',' ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 93 10:44:27 -0500 From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu Subject: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion...) Newsgroups: sci.space nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu, University of Alaska Fairbanks writes: [A GOOD DEAL OF HEALTHY IF NOT DEEPLY THOUGHT OUT IDEALISM DELETED BELOW.] >Major question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you? >[...] Can the truly inforce it? [...] If their parent company does business (and they will) on the face of the Earth then they are vulnerable to govt. sanctions. Yes they can be stopped. >If you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will >stop you from doing it. [...] For the first 100 - 500 (IMHO) years nobody will have to. The colonists will be too dependent on Earth too pull it off. Eventually they will, history shows us that. >Also once you have the means to mine the moon (or whatever) then just do it. >The UN if done right can be made to be so busy with something else, they will >not care [...] What exactly do you mean here? Terrorism? Start an international incident so your dream can come true? Crack a few eggs to make the omelet? This sounds fairly irresponsible. >Basically what I am saying is where is that drive of yeasteryears to go a >little bit farther out, to do jus ta little bit more, and to tell the crown to >piss off.. If my ancestors thought the way many today think, Id have been born >in Central Europe just north of the Black Sea.. Again, the tie that binds will be much stronger for space colonists than any immigrants that have gone before. Even those intrepid Asian explorers that crossed the Bering land bridge did not have to carry their air on their backs. == >Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked Keep the dream alive, maybe dream it a little more cogently. Tom Freebairn | There once was a man | Who built a boat | To sail away in. | It sank. | J.P. Donleavy _Fairy Tale of New York_ (maybe?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 13:29:35 GMT From: Doug Loss Subject: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to... Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1993Apr23.000021.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr22.162501.747@indyvax.iupui.edu>, tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes: >> [...] Somebody pointed out, quite correctly, that such rights are >> not anybody's to grant (although I imagine it would be a fait accompli >> situation for the winner.) So how about this? Give the winning group >> (I can't see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year >> moratorium on taxes. >> >> Tom Freebairn > > >Who says there is no mineral rights to be given? Who says? The UN or the US >Government? Tom's right about this. It's only a grantable right if the granter has the will and the ability to stop anyone from taking it away from you. Never mind the legal status. >Major question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you? >The UN can't other than legal tom foolerie.. Can the truly inforce it? Nick's right about this. It's always easier to obtain forgiveness than permission. Not many people remember that Britain's King George III expressly forbid his american subjects to cross the alleghany/appalachian mountains. Said subjects basically said, "Stop us if you can." He couldn't. >If you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will >stop you from doing it. Maybe not acknowledge you? That's how the USA started. Of course, that's also how the Bolivarian Republic started (ca. 1800-1820) in central america. It didn't have quite the staying power of the USA. I'm sure there are more examples of going far away and then ignoring authority, but none jump to mind right now. >What can happen is to find a nation which is acknowledged, and offer your >services as a space miner and then go mine the asteroids/mars/moon or what >ever.. As long as yur sponsor does not get in trouble.. Or do as some whaling nations do: define whatever activities you want to carry out as "scientific research" which just coincidentally requires the recovery of megatonnes of minerals (or whatever), then go at it. >Basically find a country who wants to go into space, but can't for soem reason >or another, but who will give you a "home".. Such as Saudia Arabia or >whatever.. Lute Keyser had just this sort of arrangement with Libya (I think) in the late '70's for his commercial space launch project (one of the very earliest). It was killed by Soviet propaganda about NATO cruise missiles in Africa, which made Libya renege on the arrangement. Doug Loss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 13:37:58 GMT From: Doug Loss Subject: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to... Newsgroups: sci.space In my last post I referred to Michael Adams as "Nick." Completely my error; Nick Adams was a film and TV actor from the '50's and early '60's (remember Johnny Yuma, The Rebel?). He was from my part of the country, and Michael's email address of "nmsca[...]" probably helped confuse things in my mind. Purely user headspace error on my part. Sorry. Doug Loss ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 93 10:06:36 -0600 From: Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey Subject: Dreams and Degrees (was Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive?) Newsgroups: sci.space In article , mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk (Del Cotter) writes: > <1993Apr21.205403.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >> Sorry if I do not have the big degrees >>and such, but I think (I might be wrong, to error is human) I have something >>that is in many ways just as important, I have imagination, dreams. And without >>dreams all the knowledge is worthless.. > > Oh, and us with the big degrees don't got imagination, huh? > > The alleged dichotomy between imagination and knowledge is one of the most > pernicious fallacys of the New Age. Michael, thanks for the generous > offer, but we have quite enough dreams of our own, thank you. Well said. > You, on the other hand, are letting your own dreams go to waste by > failing to get the maths/thermodynamics/chemistry/(your choices here) > which would give your imagination wings. > > Just to show this isn't a flame, I leave you with a quote from _Invasion of > the Body Snatchers_: > > "Become one of us; it's not so bad, you know" Okay, Del, so Michael was being unfair, but you are being unfair back. He is taking college courses now, I presume he is studying hard, and his postings reveal that he is *somewhat* hip to the technical issues of astronautics. Plus, he is attentively following the erudite discourse of the Big Brains who post to sci.space; is it not inevitable that he will get a splendid technical education from reading the likes of you and me? [1] Like others involved in sci.space, Mr. Adams shows symptoms of being a fledgling member of the technoculture, and I think he's soaking it up fast. I was a young guy with dreams once, and they led me to get a technical education to follow them up. Too bad I wound up in an assembly-line job stamping out identical neutrinos day after day... (-: [1] Though rumors persist that Del and I are both pseudonyms of Fred McCall. Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey | "We'll see you Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory | at White Sands in June. Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | You bring your view-graphs, Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | and I'll bring my rocketship." SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | --Col. Pete Worden on the DC-X ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 15:34:07 GMT From: Henry Spencer Subject: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1993Apr21.212202.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral >exploration. > >Basically get the eco-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth. They aren't going to leave a loophole as glaring as space mining. Quite a few of those people are, when you come right down to it, basically against industrial civilization. They won't stop with shutting down the mines here; that is only a means to an end for them now. The worst thing you can say to a true revolutionary is that his revolution is unnecessary, that the problems can be corrected without radical change. Telling people that paradise can be attained without the revolution is treason of the vilest kind. Trying to harness these people to support spaceflight is like trying to harness a buffalo to pull your plough. He's got plenty of muscle, all right, but the furrow will go where he wants, not where you want. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 1993 16:42 UT From: Ron Baalke Subject: HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle,sci.astro Ed Campion Headquarters, Washington, D.C. April 23, 1993 (Phone: 202/358-1780) Kyle Herring Johnson Space Center, Houston (Phone: 713/483-5111) RELEASE: 93-76 HUBBLE TELESCOPE SERVICING MISSION SCHEDULED FOR ELEVEN DAYS The December flight of Endeavour on Space Shuttle mission STS-61 to service the Hubble Space Telescope (HST) has been scheduled as an 11 day mission designed to accommodate a record five spacewalks with the capability for an additional two, if needed. The decision to schedule five extravehicular activities, or EVAs, was reached following extensive evaluations of underwater training, maneuver times required using the Shuttle's robot arm based on software simulations and actual EVA tasks on previous missions. "Basically what we've done by going to five EVAs rather than three is to repackage our margin so that we have the capability to respond to the dynamics, or unknowns, of spacewalks," Mission Director Randy Brinkley said. "It improves the probabilities for mission success while providing added flexibility and adaptability for reacting to real-time situations." In laying out the specific tasks to be completed on each of the spacewalks, officials have determined that changing out the gyros, solar arrays and the Wide Field/Planetary Camera (WF/PC) and installing the Corrective Optics Space Telescope Axial Replacement (COSTAR) are priority objectives during the mission. "When we looked at accomplishing all of the tasks, highest through lowest priority, and recognizing that the major tasks -- gyros, solar arrays, WF/PC and COSTAR -- would consume most of the time set aside for each spacewalk, five EVAs were deemed appropriate," said Milt Heflin, Lead Flight Director for the mission. While the five spacewalks will be unprecedented, the use of two alternating spacewalk teams will alleviate placing more stress on the crew than previous missions requiring two, three or four EVAs. "We have paid close attention to lessons learned during previous spacewalks and factored these into our timeline estimates for five EVAs," Heflin said. "In planning for all Space Shuttle missions, it is necessary to formulate a work schedule that represents as realistic a timeline as possible to accomplish the mission objectives." Planning currently calls for at least five water tank training sessions that include support from the Mission Control Center, called joint integrated simulations, lasting between 10 and 36 hours. In addition, many stand alone underwater training "runs" will practice individual tasks in each spacewalk. Various refinements to the specific tasks on each spacewalk will be made based on actual training experience during the months prior to the mission. Also, lessons learned from other spacewalks leading up to the flight will be valuable in assisting the STS-61 crew in its training techniques. Endeavour's June flight and Discovery's July mission both will include spacewalks to evaluate some of the unique tools to be used on the HST mission. The evaluations will help in better understanding the differences between the actual weightlessness of space and the ground training in the water tanks at the Johnson Space Center, Houston, and the Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Ala. Also, the inflight spacewalking experiences will assist in gaining further insight into the time required for the various tasks and expand the experience levels among the astronaut corps, the flight controllers and trainers. Designed to be serviced by a Space Shuttle crew, Hubble was built with grapple fixtures and handholds to assist in the capture and repair procedures. The telescope was launched aboard Discovery in April 1990. At that time the NASA mixed fleet manifest showed the first revisit mission to HST in 1993 to change out science instruments and make any repairs that may have become necessary. - end - ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 15:36:57 GMT From: Henry Spencer Subject: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary,sci.space,sci.astro In article <19930423.010821.639@almaden.ibm.com> nicho@vnet.ibm.com writes: >>Since we don't have the money to keep them going now, how will >>changing them to a seperate agency help anything? >> >How about transferring control to a non-profit organisation that is >able to accept donations to keep craft operational. The problem is, you can't raise adequate amounts of money that way. The Viking Fund tried. They did succeed, in a way, but only because of the political impact of their fundraising. The actual amount of money they raised was fairly inconsequential; it would not have kept the Viking lander going by itself. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 1993 12:40:38 -0400 From: Pat Subject: Moonbase race, NASA resources, why? Newsgroups: sci.space Henry, didn't the Little Joe and Big Joe get built in under a year? 6 months for little Joe, and 12 Months for Big Joe? i thought i saw something on that for a old mercury film. pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 15:53:13 GMT From: "James B. Reed" Subject: space news from Feb 15 AW&ST Newsgroups: sci.space In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: |> [Pluto's] atmosphere will start to freeze out around 2010, and after about |> 2005 increasing areas of both Pluto and Charon will be in permanent |> shadow that will make imaging and geochemical mapping impossible. Where does the shadow come from? There's nothing close enough to block sunlight from hitting them. I wouldn't expect there to be anything block our view of them either. What am I missing? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 13:21:54 GMT From: "Charles J. Divine" Subject: Space Station Redesign Chief Resigns for Health Reasons Newsgroups: sci.space Writer Kathy Sawyer reported in today's Washington Post that Joseph Shea, the head of the space station redesign has resigned for health reasons. Shea was hospitalized shortly after his selection in February. He returned yesterday to lead the formal presentation to the independent White House panel. Shea's presentation was rambling and almost inaudible. Shea's deputy, former astronaut Bryan O'Connor, will take over the effort. Goldin asserted that the redesign effort is on track. -- Chuck Divine ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 93 12:52:00 GMT From: "Van E. Neie" Subject: Sunrise/ sunset times Newsgroups: sci.misc,sci.math,sci.space In article <1993Apr22.180630.18313@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> pearson@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (N. Shirlene Pearson) writes: >jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes: > > >>Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used >>to compute sunrise and sunset times. > >Would you mind posting the responses you get? >I am also interested, and there may be others. > >Thanks, > >N. Shirlene Pearson >pearson@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu There is an excellent software program called Astro.calc that does that and much more. The latest address I have is MMI Corporation PO Box 19907 Baltimore, MD 21211 Phone (301) 366-1222 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Van E. Neie ven@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu Purdue University neie@purccvm.bitnet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 14:57:25 EET From: flb@flb.optiplan.fi (F.Baube[tm]) Subject: Vandalizing the sky From: "Phil G. Fraering" > > Finally: this isn't the Bronze Age, [..] > please try to remember that there are more human activities than > those practiced by the Warrior Caste, the Farming Caste, and the > Priesthood. Right, the Profiting Caste is blessed by God, and may freely blare its presence in the evening twilight .. -- * Fred Baube (tm) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 12:35:42 GMT From: Thomas Clarke Subject: Vandalizing the sky. Newsgroups: sci.space I posted this over in sci.astro, but it didn't make it here. Thought you all would like my wonderful pithy commentary :-) What? You guys have never seen the Goodyear blimp polluting the daytime and nightime skies? Actually an oribital sign would only be visible near sunset and sunrise, I believe. So pollution at night would be minimal. If it pays for space travel, go for it. Those who don't like spatial billboards can then head for the pristine environment of Jupiter's moons :-) --- Thomas Clarke Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL 12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826 (407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu ------------------------------ End of Space Digest Volume 16 : Issue 483 ------------------------------