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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 1         Sat Nov 28, 1992
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 17:22 EST
 
Dan or Tyson - What's the secret to getting CF 4.03 to recognize the system's
current clipboard path?  The doco with the update says this was fixed, but I
still can't get to write to anything but C:\CLIPBORD\ And no, I didn't forget
to copy the patched version from the disk. :)
   Gordon
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 2         Sun Nov 29, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 14:48 EST
 
Has anyone gotten v4.03 to print correctly with a DeskJet??  I have had this
program since it's shareware days and have _NEVER_ had it print properly..

All I usually get is: skipped pages, form feeds in the middle of print-outs,
split address/labels at the bottom of the page, or one page with three or four
lines, etc..

If anyone has it figured out, give me your secret.. Please..

 (Dumb) <-:}Ted{:->  Sunday, November 29, 1992 - 10:27:56 am
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 3         Sun Nov 29, 1992
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 17:03 EST
 
I tried, for the first time since v1.4, to print a Calendar.  I got the same
type of output that Ted just described.  Yes, I'm using a DeskJet too.  But it
does work great for envelopes. ;)
   Gordon
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 4         Sun Nov 29, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 19:01 EDT
 
Message: 185, left on November 29, 1992  From: T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]


  >Has anyone gotten v4.03 to print correctly with a DeskJet?? 


 TED,


         I don't have my DJ at home right now, but I have been able to
 get it to work.  Here are some of the hints:


         Are you using TEXT SCALE (see your DJ manual if you don't
         understand)?

         Make sure the "lines per page" equal the number of lines you 
         DJ is set up for.  It gets very difficult making printer 
         drivers when the printer can be set up so many ways.


         If I remember correctly you also need to change the column
         width to print labels.  You may need to shorten some of the 
         lines if you want to print labels.  CardFile tries to print 
         a full address even if it is too long for the label.




         CardFile and it's printer drivers now offer the most flexible
 arrangement of its history.  It is a little more difficult, but it
 can be done.  


         I would expect some more drivers to come out as time goes on.
  I believe a new one was included in the last upgrade.


 >> Joe M << 




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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 5         Mon Nov 30, 1992
J.SAFFER [JASON SAFFER]      at 01:03 EST
 
Has anybody had success using CardFile to print out labels (with just address,
no phone number) onto some kind of labels using the Hewlett Packard LaserJet
III? The printer driver that comes with the program doesn't line up the labels
on the page to match up with any kind of store-bought label that I've been
able to find. I've also tried modifying the printer driver to kind of match
the store-bought sheets of labels so I could feed them into my printer but not
all the labels on a page match up.

Is anyone using this program with a HP LJIII and, if so, what brand and model
number of labels are you using? Thanks for the help!

- Jason Saffer
  Hercules, California
  Sunday, November 29, 1992  4:20 pm

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 6         Mon Nov 30, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:36 EDT
 
Message: 188, left on November 30, 1992  From: J.SAFFER [JASON SAFFER]


  >Has anybody had success using CardFile to print out labels (with just
  >address, no phone number) onto some kind of labels using the Hewlett
  >Packard LaserJet III?


 Jason Saffer,


         I have a HPIIIp driver working and I'll be it will work for
 you.  I'll send it E-Mail.  I am interested in your comments so
 please put it through it's paces to see if it needs any additional
 work.  BTW I just finished it and I have been having Aladdin problems
 getting it uploaded to Grignif.  I'll get it to them today as well.


 >> Joe M << 






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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 7         Mon Nov 30, 1992
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs]       at 08:28 EST
 
 I was just about to reply, Jason oughtta contact Joe Meehan.  Bit late
 I guess. ;-)
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 8         Mon Nov 30, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 18:04 EST
 
 >Message 186       Sun Nov 29, 1992
 >GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 17:03 EST
 >
 >Yes, I'm using a DeskJet too.  But it
 >does work great for envelopes. ;)
 >   Gordon
 >----------

Gordon,

Consider yourself lucky!!  I can't get it to print an envelope.. All I get is
a form feed & a busy light...

 <-:}Ted{:->  Monday, November 30, 1992 - 8:43:04 am
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 9         Mon Nov 30, 1992
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 18:17 EST
 
Ted - It _sounds_ like you aren't loading the envelope correctly.  Stick it
under the two envelope positioning guides, as far as you can get it to go,
then press the two leftmost buttons on the control panel at the same time (The
ones that have a little picture of an envelope next to them.)  After you've
done this hit the Envelope button in CardFile and it will feed the envelope
the rest of the way and print it. Give a holler if you still can't get it, I
know it does work. ;)
   Gordon
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 10        Mon Nov 30, 1992
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs]       at 19:08 EST
 
 On my deskjet, I have to press the FF button to initiate the envelope-
 printing process.  I'm not using this program, but maybe you need to
 do the same thing.
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 11        Tue Dec 01, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 07:20 EST
 
Joe,

Thanks for the tips on trying to get the DeskJet to print with CardFile..

 1. I will go through the DJ manual and see what TEXT SCALE is...
 2. I always set it to print 62-63, lines per page....
 3. I will get the CardFile manual and read it once again, to shorten
    the lines and change the columns..

This could be a great program if it weren't so difficult to understand how to
print with it.....

 <-:}Ted{:->  Monday, November 30, 1992 - 6:23:06 pm

BTW.... I received JetLabel Elite today from Michael Young... I'll try it in
the morning....

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 12        Tue Dec 01, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 19:55 EST
 
Gordon,

Hi!  Well, I did exactly what you said to do, and fed the envelope in -via-
the two 'feed' envelope keys on the DeskJet..

Nothing!! All I get is a flashing busy light just below the reset key.. No
printing at all!!

I know I printed envelops on the version before this one.. I never liked the
output, so I never used it much... I used to print a phone book too.. Now, all
of a sudden I can't get anything to print and print right!!

I wonder what I'm doing wrong here??

Just thought of something...

Gordon, do you have any dip switches set to on??  I have all of mine set to
off.. Maybe here, is part of the problem??

Dot:

You know it's funny.. In order to print envelops with some programs you don't
use the envelope feed buttons.. I wish they all were the same... But, in my
case that didn't work either...

Thanks,

 <-:}Ted{:->  Tuesday, December 1, 1992 - 10:12:30 am



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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 13        Tue Dec 01, 1992
J.WILSON103 [John]           at 20:28 EST
 
Gribniff,

I got my upgrade to Cardfile 4...thanks very much

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~
 \/\/\/\/\/\/ John S. Wilson \/\/\/\/\/\/\
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ T uesday, December 1, 19923:57:20
pm
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 14        Wed Dec 02, 1992
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs]       at 00:37 EST
 
 Well, I tried it tonight on my original-model DJ, and it worked.  'Course,
 I'm not using the latest CardFile, so I don't know how applicable my 
 experience will be to yours.  I had to tinker a while.  I set the TAB
 for 35, SPC for 10, and the printout was centered nicely.  Several times,
 I got the same busy light thing you are referring to.  I found that if
 I FF'ed at the end of each printout, I could avoid that, but if I wasn't
 quick enough, I had to do a reset.  It's really important to push the
 envelope as far in as it will go before pressing the envelope keys on
 the printer.  Only after the envelope is engaged most of the way up to
 the printing surface should you press the PRINT option in CardFile.  Even
 using this strategy, I shot only about 80%; there were some dud sends.
 I did successfully print 42 envelopes though.  Whew!  My printer is down
 on the lowest shelf and my neck is killing me! ;-)

 Good luck!  Hope this gives you some ideas.

 Say, are you using the DJ as a serial printer, by any chance?  Wonder if
 that would make a difference...
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 15        Wed Dec 02, 1992
J.SAFFER [JASON SAFFER]      at 01:58 EST
 
Joe, thanks ever so much for your HPIII cpf file. I appreciate your thinking
of me on this. I'll put it through its paces over the next few days and let
you know!!

Later that day.....well, unfortunately, on my HPLaserJet III, the envelopes
are not printing out in landscape mode with the cpf file. Bummer. I have only
one feeder tray on my LJ III so there's no upper and lower cassette. I do have
the ability to move the plastic guide bars to envelope size. Joe, is it
possible for your cpf file to be revised so that it would work with just the
one feeder tray.

Also, as is true with the regular Laserjet printer driver, every other page
prints out blank when I do a printout of labels. I think I got around this
before my making the driver print out "continuous."

Joe, using the Avery label type 5261 works just great with your driver. I'm
delighted about that. Thanks very, very much.

- Jason Saffer
  Hercules, California
  Tuesday, December 1, 1992  7:37 am



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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 16        Wed Dec 02, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:50 EDT
 
Ted,


         Read Dorthy's reply and try reloading those envelopes the
 should work.


         I suggest you check your manual and reset all your DIP
 switches to their default positions (after you record where they all
 are now, maybe you changed them for a reason <grin>).




                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  more....


 Jason,


         I'll check my book out and give send you a new driver, it
 should not be difficult.


         I also had some problem with the blank sheet, but I fixed it,
 now I only need to figure out what I did <grin>.  I think it had to
 do with the number of lines per page.  You may need to reduce them
 one at a time till you get it right for your printer, it may be
 different than mine.  Of course you could just put a blank sheet
 between each label sheet.


 >> Joe M << 


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 17        Wed Dec 02, 1992
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 18:36 EST
 
Ted -   After a bit of thought, I realize that I haven't printed any envelopes
since applying the patch.  I'll be giving it a try later tonight tho. As for
the DIP switches, mine are all in the default settings, I haven't touched 'em
since unpacking the printer a couple of years ago.
   Gordon
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 18        Wed Dec 02, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 23:21 EST
 
Dot, Thanks for the tips on your DeskJet set up.. I'll play with them tomorrow
and get back to you on what happens...

I don't care what they say, you're OK in my book.. :)...

 <-:}Ted{:->  Wednesday, December 2, 1992 - 10:31:20 pm

P.S. Joe: Any hot tips for me on how to set up JetLabel Elite?? I mean the way
you have yours set up??  Any help/tips will be rewarded.. :)


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 19        Thu Dec 03, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:51 EDT
 
Ted,


         I have print Jet Label Elite straight.  I don't need to make
 any adjustments.  I just chose the primary and secondary fonts as the
 whim strikes me.


 >> Joe M << 


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 20        Thu Dec 03, 1992
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs]       at 13:44 EST
 
 Gee, Ted, what _do_ they say?  

 ;-)

 Glad to have your vote in any case.
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 21        Thu Dec 03, 1992
J.SAFFER [JASON SAFFER]      at 21:04 EST
 
Joe, I look forward to a revised driver so I can also print out envelopes.
Thanks very, very much for your assistance on this. Much appreciated.

If you remember what you did regarding the blank page every other sheet,
please let me know. I did change the feed command to zero for continuous and
that might be doing the trick. But if you've got another solution, do let me
know.

- Jason Saffer
  Hercules, California
  Thursday, December 3, 1992  3:03 pm


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 22        Thu Dec 03, 1992
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 23:45 EST
 
Ted -  I was quite successful in using the new version of CF4 to print
envelopes last night...in fact it worked like a charm.  I did try and
duplicate your problem, and I got what was probably the same 'flashing light'
that you mentioned.  If it is the same, it means that your envelope isn't
loaded, the DJ has something to print, but it knows it is for an envelope, and
it is waiting for you to give it one. I suggest you take a peek at your manual
on how to get your  envelope loaded, CF4 won't do that part for you.
  Gordon
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 23        Sat Dec 05, 1992
MUSE [Tomas]                 at 01:41 EST
 
Ted,
 Try it with all your regular paper removed or, at least withdrawn.
 I have my DJ500 DIP switches set like this:

        +  +
 -------    -------

 ===Tomas===
 December 04, 1992 @ 19:48:03 pm PST



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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 24        Sat Dec 05, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 10:49 EDT
 
Message: 195, left on December 1, 1992  From: T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]


  >  You know it's funny.. In order to print envelops with some programs
  >you don't use the envelope feed buttons.. I wish they all were the
  >same...


         The HP standard is to load the envelope by pressing the two
 buttons.  In my opinion that is the way all programs should use the
 DeskJet.  


         Sorry to hear you are still having problems, I don't have any
 additional suggestions.  You seem to be doing everything correctly.


         Is the envelope moving up into the DeskJet when you press the
 two buttons?


 >> Joe M << 









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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 25        Sat Dec 05, 1992
J.KUDRON [Jim~ST Sysop]      at 15:04 EST
 
Messages #1-183 have been archived and are in the library-File #26816.
CRDFIL_2.ARC



 Jim Kudron
 <ST Sysop>
 5Dec92


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 26        Sat Dec 05, 1992
D.SEBERG [IceBerg]           at 16:26 EST
 
Joe,

 > The HP standard is to load the envelope by pressing the two
 > buttons.  In my opinion that is the way all programs should use
 > the DeskJet.

I beg to disagree, there is no such HP standard.  If I may quote a book
written by Steven Cummings, titled "DeskJet Unlimited", it states that in
regard to loading envelopes;

 "The correct method for activating the DeskJet's envelope loader
  depends on the software you're using to print the envelope."

It is no more correct to load an envelope via the keypad than it is to load an
envelope via a software command or vice-versa.  They are both correct and
achieve the EXACT same results.  However.....

I believe that it is much more user friendly for the programmer to enable this
simple feature in their software rather than make the user press the buttons
on the DeskJet's keypad.  While the pressing of two buttons is a seemingly
insignificant task to perform , it is a task that can be done transparently
and quite easily from software relieving the user from "one less thing to
remember".

I write all my software so that the user (which most often is me) NEVER has to
touch the keypad.  In my opinion this is the way all programs should use the
DeskJet.

While you may "prefer" to use the keypad buttons to load your envelopes, I
just wanted to clarify that there is no "HP Standard" in this regard.

         Dave


 P.S.  Seems like I'm always agreeing with Ted, how wierd?
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 27        Sun Dec 06, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 11:28 EST
 
Muse, Joe M, & Dave Seberg...

 >Message 206       Sat Dec 05, 1992
 >MUSE [Tomas]                 at 01:41 EST
 >
 >Ted,
 > Try it with all your regular paper removed or, at least withdrawn.
 > I have my DJ500 DIP switches set like this:
 >
 >        +  +
 > -------    -------
 >----------

Tomas:

Thanks... I'll give it a shot later today... BTW! Do you use GEMvelope at all?
Just curious...

Joe:

Thanks! Let's see if Tomas's suggestions work!!

I am going to play with it all day today...

I have lots of slightly used envelops left over from last week..  :) ----------
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 >Category 17,  Topic 7
 >Message 209       Sat Dec 05, 1992
 >D.SEBERG [IceBerg]           at 16:26 EST
 >
 > P.S.  Seems like I'm always agreeing with Ted, how wierd?
 >----------

Dave:

Hey! You and I think a lot alike!! And if we didn't live so far apart we would
be close friends, I'd betcha.. <Grin>..

 <-:}Ted{:->  Sunday, December 6, 1992 - 10:01:56 am



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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 28        Sun Dec 06, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 12:23 EDT
 
Message: 26, left on December 5, 1992  From: D.SEBERG [IceBerg]


  >Joe,
  > 
  >  I beg to disagree, there is no such HP standard.  If I may quote a
  >book written by Steven Cummings, titled "DeskJet Unlimited", it states
  >that in regard to loading envelopes;
  > 
  > "The correct method for activating the DeskJet's envelope loader
  >  depends on the software you're using to print the envelope."




 Dave,


         Steven Commings book may be very nice, but I will let HP set
 the standard method of loading envelopes in their machines.  They
 give instructions using the two buttons.  They also say see your
 software instructions as well, so I guess they are allowing for other
 alternatives.  


         In reality I don't think this is all that important, other
 than to note that the computer world can be very confusing to users.
 If a procedure can be standardized for all software (or hardware) it
 is a good idea to do so when possible.  CardFile is using the
 standard supported by HP.  


         In this case HP may have been wrong, and may have changed
 their instructions (standard) later.  Personally I thing it would be
 better to make the software load standard and offer the button push
 as a "manual" alternative.


 >> Joe M << 


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 29        Sun Dec 06, 1992
J.SAFFER [JASON SAFFER]      at 13:54 EST
 
Joe, any chance of obtaining a revised printer driver soon so that I can print
out envelopes from a card with my HPLaserJet III. I'm looking forward to being
able to do that. (Don't mean to be pushy, I can understand how others things
might be calling for your attention). Please do keep me posted. Much thanks.

- Jason Saffer
  Hercules, California
  Sunday, December 6, 1992  10:44 am

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 30        Sun Dec 06, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 19:54 EDT
 
Jason,


         I will try to get to work on your problem with the HPIII, but
 you are right.  I am going to have a few other things calling for my
 attention.  My dance studio has a showcase this next weekend, so that
 will most likely take up every evening this week, then there is
 Christmas, but maybe I can find a hour or so to try and get a few
 other things like the driver worked on.


         Keep reminding me, I have the memory of a rock.


 >> Joe M << 


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 31        Sun Dec 06, 1992
D.SEBERG [IceBerg]           at 22:49 EST
 
Ted,

 > Hey! You and I think a lot alike!! And if we didn't live so far
 > apart we would be close friends, I'd betcha.. <Grin>..

The above statement just proves my point, here again I find myself agreeing
with you.  :^)

**********

Joe,

First of all let me start by saying I could not agree with you more
wholeheartedly, this is NOT very important at all.

Again, I must state HP does NOT have any envelope loading "standard". Nowhere
in the HP printer manual does HP recommend using the keypad in favor of
software.  If you're basing this standard by the fact that HP describes how to
load an envelope via the keypad on page 1-13 of the HP manual, let me direct
you to page C-7 where it shows you how to load an envelope via software.  BOTH
methods are CORRECT.

As far as CardFile not supporting the loading of envelopes via software, well
that's not quite true.  Since CardFile allows configurable printer drivers,
it's a snap to include the one line to the HPDESKJ.CPF that will allow you to
print an envelope without using the two buttons on the keypad.  Here's how;

Load the file HPDESKJ.CPF into any text editor and locate the line that begins
with :RETURN.  A few lines just below this line is another line labeled
:prefix, insert the following line JUST BELOW the line labeled :prefix;

 27,38,108,51,72            # Load Envelope Via Software

Save the file via the text editor and load it into CardFile via the CFG Menu. 
Th-Th-Th-Thats All Folks, :^)

         Dave


P.S. Sorry everybody for the long post, I don't do it very often.
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 32        Sun Dec 06, 1992
MUSE [Tomas]                 at 23:25 EST
 
Ted,
 We have the GEMvelope demo at work, but I haven't used it.  You have trouble
with IT too?  <g>
 ===Tomas===
 December 06, 1992 @ 17:02:12 pm PST


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 33        Mon Dec 07, 1992
GRIBNIF [Dan]                at 10:56 EST
 
Gordon,

  I'll have to ask Tyson about this. I was under the impression that
 CardFile did not alter the clipboard path anymore, but it sounds
 like this is wrong.

Dan

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 34        Tue Dec 08, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 18:34 EST
 
Dave Seberg and MUSE:

 >Category 17,  Topic 7
 >Message 31        Sun Dec 06, 1992
 >D.SEBERG [IceBerg]           at 22:49 EST
 >
 >Ted,
 >
 > > Hey! You and I think a lot alike!! And if we didn't live so far
 > > apart we would be close friends, I'd betcha.. <Grin>..
 >
 >The above statement just proves my point, here again I find myself agreeing
 >with you.  :^)
 >-----------

Yep'er... You got that right.. Remember what we did to the guy who flamed the
DeskJet awhile ago..  Heh, heh...

Dave just so I stay on topic.. What do you think of the Cardfile envelope
printer... I personally think it SU**s!!  I use it only when in a pinch or in
a hurry...

I use your program (God, I wish you would make those few changes to it, that
we all suggested awhile ago)... And I use GEMvelope, another program, I'm not
all that happy with..

I wish you and Tyson would get together and make the Cardfile envelope portion
totally, 'awesome dude'... :)

MUSE:

I have 'trouble' with every program... :)  I tried your dip switch setting and
no luck.. Same thing.. I fact with your settings I think I got a formfeed.. So
I'm back to neutral.. All switches down..

I don't like GEMvelope's 1/2" border all around the return address, do you??

Have you tried Dave's DATALOPE.PRG??  Great DeskJet envelope printer program..
Could be the 'BEST EVER' if he would get off his duff and polish it up a bit..
Right Dave?? :)....

 <-:}Ted{:->  Tuesday, December 8, 1992 - 8:04:44 am


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 35        Wed Dec 09, 1992
D.SEBERG [IceBerg]           at 00:57 EST
 
Ted,

Yeah, I remember poor ole Richard from the DeskJet topic.  He hasn't posted
even one message in that topic since then.  I feel a little guilty about that.
But just a little.  :^)

What do I think about the envelope printing portion of CardFile?  I think it's
limited but functional.  I can certainly understand why Tyson NEEDS to keep
the printer aspects of CardFile as generic as possible, so that a commonality
of features can be maintained no matter what type of printer someone might be
using.  The best part of CardFile's printing capabilities is their use of the
configurable printer drivers (.CPF), which can help exploit the special
capabilities of any given printer.

Programs like my Data-Lope which is specific to one printer can afford to be
more specialized in regard to it's printer support. Much more so than a
program that must appeal to the masses, like CardFile.

Hey!, did you know that if you look at the word 'duff' upsidedown and
backwards it looks like 'butt', which in this case is probably appropriate.
:^)  I've been busy lately updating all the software that I wrote for my
company before my "HELL MONTH" begins on December 26th, 5 consecutive 100+
hour weeks.  It's hell but I make 30% of my annual income in those five weeks.
I haven't forgotten, I've just had to "prioritize" my programming of late.  I
will get around to finishing the Data-Lope update..... RSN.  :^)

         Dave
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 36        Wed Dec 09, 1992
GRIBNIF [Dan]                at 11:14 EST
 
Dave & Ted,

  I'm beginning to wonder if it's entirely possible that you two have just too
much free time on your hands <smile>.

Dan
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 37        Wed Dec 09, 1992
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 18:51 EST
 
Dan - Thanks for checking with Tyson about the clipboard stuff, I'll be   
interested to hear if he thinks he fixed it.  I don't recall exactly what the
problem was before, but what the new version does is ignore any currently set
clipboard path, then set one of its own when it's done printing to the
clipboard. :( Setting one by itself is great, but only if there isn't one
already defined.
  Gordon
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 38        Wed Dec 09, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 19:14 EST
 
Dave,

Thanks for the insight on Cardfile and Datalope...

Yeah, we really 'gang tackled' old 'Richard' in the Deskjet topic, didn't we??
Heh, heh...

It was fun.. I wish he would come back..

BTW.  Don't work to hard.. All work and no play.... Well you know.. :)

Read ya later,

 <-:}Ted{:->  Wednesday, December 9, 1992 - 7:23:16 am
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 39        Thu Dec 10, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 07:17 EST
 
 >Category 17,  Topic 7
 >Message 36        Wed Dec 09, 1992
 >GRIBNIF [Dan]                at 11:14 EST
 >
 >Dave & Ted,
 >
 >  I'm beginning to wonder if it's entirely possible that you two have just
too
 >much free time on your hands <smile>.
 >----------

Dan:

Sorry about that!!

Dave, we'll have to start meeting someplace else...  :)... --------------------
----------------------------- Dot & Gordon,

Thanks for _ALL_ the help!!  I had to change the settings in cardfile and some
dip switches on the DeskJet, but I now have Cardfile printing pretty decent...

It wasn't easy..  But then it never is right??

Now, if I can only get rid of the blank space when it prints company names..

Any suggestions??  :)

 <-:}Ted{:->  Wednesday, December 9, 1992 - 7:44:40 pm



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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 40        Thu Dec 10, 1992
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs]       at 08:38 EST
 
 All right, Ted!  I'm glad I'm printing envelopes now, too.  It'll save
 me plenty on labels, and I think the appearance is more professional, too.
 I'll play with the company name thing and see if I hit on a solution.
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 41        Fri Dec 11, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 20:50 EST
 
Dot,

If you can't fix it.. No one can... :)..

BTW, thanks for the help..

 <-:}Ted{:->  Friday, December 11, 1992 - 7:29:00 pm
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 42        Sat Dec 12, 1992
J.TOWLER1 [John]             at 03:12 EST
 
Dan

I received the Desktop Notes flyer today.  You should be getting an upgrade
order for CardFile 4 and NeoDesk CLI soon.

John

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 43        Sat Dec 12, 1992
J.KUDRON [Jim~ST Sysop]      at 17:17 EST
 
Dan,

I've been running into a small problem with CardFile. When I load CardFile, I
get an alert box stating to the effect "Data file not compatible with this
version of CF. Run update program". Then the program runs fine (the data file
loads OK). This happens with CF loaded as an ACC and as a PRG. Yes, the first
line in the data file has the 4.00 header. It's just an annoyance, but I'd
like to eliminate it just the same.


 Jim Kudron
 <ST Sysop>
 12Dec92
 16:15:16

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 44        Thu Dec 17, 1992
F.QUAN                       at 00:43 EST
 
I   Does anyone know if it is possible to set a field to a largr er number of
characters? For instance I was t entering in the CITY field, St. Petersburg
Beach and I couldn't fit in all the letters. I looking     ed in the manual,
but didn't see anything obvious  .

 Frank.
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 45        Thu Dec 17, 1992
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs]       at 07:53 EST
 
 Frank, I'm sure Gribnif will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think
 field size is adjustable.  I cope with creative abbreviation.
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 46        Fri Dec 18, 1992
MUSE [Tomas]                 at 03:26 EST
 
Dorothy,
 Can you "creatively abbreviate" Rancho Santa Margaurita for me? Sometimes I
just hate California!
 ===Tomas===
 December 17, 1992 @ 23:55:09 pm PST

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 47        Fri Dec 18, 1992
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs]       at 04:07 EST
 
 Rancho St Marg?

 As long as you get the zip code right, it'll get there. ;-)
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 48        Fri Dec 18, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 06:12 EDT
 
 Tomas  . Muse
  123 South Street
  Rancho Santa Margaurita
  CA  98542




         How about that.  I put the street address in the Company line
 and the city on the address line.  If you wanted to do a slight edit
 you could have the state move up a line or you might have been able
 to put the state on the same line as the city (the address line)


 >> Joe M << 





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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 49        Fri Dec 18, 1992
J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead]       at 18:19 EST
 
Joe,

Tomas needs to fit stuff like that into the address slots of our invoicing
system here at CodeHead.  The city, state, and zip have to all be on the same
line due to the way the data base is customized. Boy, it's too bad we don't
have a good programmer around here.  <grin>

John
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 50        Sat Dec 19, 1992
SFRT-ASST [Kenne@SFRT]       at 01:24 EST
 
There's no a  bbreviation for it in the Zip Code directory? _If_ the Zip Code
is correct you can probably get as creative as you dare with the city's name.

Rnch Snta Marg, Rancho Snta Marg, Rnch St Marg, R S M, Santa Marg...
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 51        Sat Dec 19, 1992
MUSE [Tomas]                 at 03:05 EST
 
 
 > Rancho St Marg?
 >
 > As long as you get the zip code right, it'll get there. ;-)

 The "locals" eventually tend to say "RSM," but then it starts to look like a
military address, doesn't it?  i.e. RSM, CA 92688

Joe,
 Hmmm, not bad.

 ===Tomas===
 December 18, 1992 @ 21:27:04 pm PST



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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 52        Sat Dec 19, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 11:01 EDT
 
Message: 49, left on December 18, 1992  From: J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead]


  John,


  >  Boy, it's too bad we don't have a good programmer around here.
  >  <grin>


         Yea.  <grin>


 >> Joe M << 

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 53        Sun Dec 20, 1992
AEO.3 [Lyre]                 at 14:00 EST
 
BTW to all of you who are trying to figure out ways to fit addresses.

If you are using the ZIP+4 Codes for business purposes, the US Postal service
*might* not accept abbreviations.  I do know that they are not allowing
"vanity names" for towns (i.e., a section of town with a different name can no
longer be used - only the towns real name). This pertains only if the section
of town does not have it's own post office.

For instance, in CT, Huntington is actually a part of Shelton.  Since their is
no Huntington post office, ZIP+4 Code business users can no longer utilize the
word Huntington.  They *must* use Shelton.  If their were a post office
serving Huntington then the use of this "vanity name" would be permissable on
mail.

                                                Lyre

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 54        Mon Dec 21, 1992
GRIBNIF [Dan]                at 13:46 EST
 
John,

  I look forward to it!

Jim,

  Please check to see if you have a zero-length CARDFILE.APT file kicking
around. We accidentally shipped one on an early version of the disk. If you
have one, just delete it.

Frank,

  Unfortunately, you cannot adjust the field lengths in CardFile. I'm afraid
that this is just one of the differences between it and a full-blown database
program.

Dan
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 55        Mon Dec 21, 1992
J.KUDRON [Jim~ST Sysop]      at 21:32 EST
 
Dan,

My CARDFILE.APT file wasn't zero length, it was eight! I deleted it and
everything is fine. Thank-you!

 Jim Kudron
 <ST Sysop>
 21Dec92

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 56        Tue Dec 29, 1992
J.MOSES2 [moses]             at 22:50 EST
 
The Portfolio.txt file states that adress card info may be transferred via the
parallel port...could you be more specific regarding this process?

Thanks, Jim
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 57        Wed Dec 30, 1992
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 07:18 EST
 
Jim,

My CardFile 4 just arrived in the mail yesterday.  I too was hoping that it
would `send' directly to the Portfolio, but apparently this is not the case;
all it does is convert its own file format into the format used in Portfolio
ADR files.  You still have to use your standard method of transferring files
to the Portfolio (Slave or XTERM2 or whatever).  If you don't _have_ a
standard method, check the Portfolio RT (page 950).

On the plus side, I managed to get my main Superbase file of almost 300
addresses converted to a CardFile DAT without too much trouble, and it looks
like I'll be printing the labels for my newsletter with CardFile from now on. 
I'm giving up a lot of filtering and formatting power by giving up on
Superbase, but I ran out of patience with its interface.  CardFile is _much_
faster and easier to use on the TT.

  gnox

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 58        Wed Dec 30, 1992
SFRT-ASST [Kenne@SFRT]       at 13:19 EST
 
How did you go from Superbase to CF4?
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 59        Thu Dec 31, 1992
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 06:53 EST
 
Kenne,

 >How did you go from Superbase to CF4?

I exported my Superbase file in ASCII format, ran the converter program, set
up a DCD file for the Superbase output, loaded in the CF4 DCD, entered the
field numbers on the right side, and hit the convert button.  Then I had to
clean up a few cases where the source field was longer than CardFile's.  Once
I had worked my way through the converter doc on the CardFile disk, it didn't
take long.

I tried printing a few labels with the new file and with a few adjustments to
the printer file it worked fine.  I was hoping the label setup would be a
little more flexible - with Superbase I used to print the expiry issue number
in the top right corner of the label, and can't find a way to do that with
CardFile.  But that's a small price to pay, I reckon.

By the way I was using Superbase Personal (1.026, vintage 1986!)

  gnox

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 60        Thu Dec 31, 1992
SFRT-ASST [Kenne@SFRT]       at 12:21 EST
 
Thanks.

Gribnif>> How about some CF4<->DIF translators? I can't figure DIF out.
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 61        Thu Dec 31, 1992
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 17:01 EST
 
What's a DIF file?                                         
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 62        Thu Dec 31, 1992
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 17:05 EST
 
DIF is a Data Interchange Format file.... used in spreadsheets. Something of a
standard format.
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 63        Thu Dec 31, 1992
SFRT-ASST [Kenne@SFRT]       at 23:18 EST
 
It's used in spreadsheets and databases. It's pretty standard on most
platforms other than Atari. If you "Save Out" a DIF file from a spreadsheet ot
database, when you import it into another program it will maintain the
formatting {headers and labels and fields}.

Kinda cool. 
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 64        Fri Jan 01, 1993
D.FARRINGTO1 [David <><  .]  at 01:06 EST
 
Very, very, very old question I'm sure.  Is there a upgrade price for my
version 2.1 to v4.x? :)  I know, I know, what's took me so long....

David <><
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 65        Fri Jan 01, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 05:31 EST
 
Sorting out my newly converted database, I discovered that the Purge function
works the _opposite_ of the way the CardFile 4 manual describes it.  After
marking about a third of my 300 cards `expired' in the group field, I set the
filter for that group and hit the Purge button, expecting that group to be
deleted, as the manual indicates on page 39.  Instead, it was all the _other_
cards that were deleted.

Fortunately I had the data saved; and the confirmation alert is a lot less
misleading than the manual.  But I still can't figure out how to do what I
thought `Purge' did, i.e. delete a group of cards selected with a filter.  Am
I missing something?  In order to get a file of non-expired cards, I had to
sort by expiration issue number and then load the file into STeno to delete
all the `expired' cards (lines) - it only took a minute but seems like there
must be a more elegant way!

Not that I'm complaining ... CardFile's keyboard equivalents make it easy to
set up CodeKeys macros, something that was barely possible with Superbase
Personal.

  gnox


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 66        Fri Jan 01, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 09:20 EDT
 
Message: 64, left on January 1, 1993  From: D.FARRINGTO1 [David <><  .]


  >Is there a upgrade price for my version 2.1 to v4.x? :)


   David <>< 


         Yes.




                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  more....


 gnox,


         You're right.






                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  more....


 David,


         Sorry I could not help myself.  I don't know how much. <grin>


 Happy New Year
 >> Joe M << 



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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 67        Fri Jan 01, 1993
M.ERSOFF                     at 17:49 EST
 
 To J.Meehan3,

 Hello.  I was reading some previous posts concerning Cardfile 4 and
 .CFP printer configuration files for the HP III laser printer.  The
 posts were about printing lables.  I have been encountering some
 problems setting up the printer configuration file for my HP II 
 laser printer.

 I have successfully modified the HP II printer driver to print 
 labels on Avery 5160 laser sheet feed labels (3 X 10 labels).
 However, the only way I can fit the addresses on these labels is
 to use the small font on the HP II (line printer, I believe is the 
 name of the font).  I would LOVE to have the configuration file
 automatically send a command to my printer to tell it to switch to
 the small font (line printer).  It is my understanding that the 
 printer configuration file can send a command (change to line printer
 font) to the printer prior to printing labels and then send another 
 command (change to courier font) when it has finished printing the 
 labels.  I have attempted to place the command on the line as 
 instructed in the manual but Cardfile bombs (2 bombs) when I try
 to load the new printer configuration file.  BTW - I did type in
 the printer command using the decimal numbers for the codes.

 Here is the section of the file that I have changed:
 (it is NOT the complete file)

 # CardFile Printer Configuration File

 # Note: Edit any numeric value starting a line (in decimal).
 #       Add as many prefix or suffix lines as necessary.
 #       Make no other changes to this file! 


  # LaserJet III printer


 :INITIALIZATION           # Control characters
 1                         # 0 for cr only, 1 for cr/lf
 0                         # 0=printer, 1=file, 2=clipboard
 :prefix                   # When CardFile starts-up send...
 :suffix                   # When CardFile terminates send...
 :END


 :MAINLABELS               # Setup for main label form printout
 3                         # Labels across form
 10                        # Labels up and down (0=continuous)
 2                         # Starting row
 5                         # Starting column
 1                         # Rows between labels
 46                        # Columns width
 0                         # 0=no phone, 1=include phone number
 :prefix                   # Label form prefix follows...
 :suffix                   # Label form suffix follows...
                           # form feed
 :END                      # End of label form definition





 I tried to but the codes under the prefix and suffix lines in the
 main label section.  Any time I but any codes on those lines, Cardfile
 bombs (2 bombs) when it tries to load the new printer config. file.

 I would greatly appreciate any help you could offer.  I would also like
 to try your customized printer config. file (If you would be kind
 enough to EMAIL it to me)

 Thanks in advance for your help ....... Mayer


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 68        Sat Jan 02, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 06:17 EDT
 
Mayer,


         Remember to put a # after the codes.  A REMark after the "#"
 is also a good idea to help you remember what the codes are later.


 >> Joe M << 

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 69        Sat Jan 02, 1993
M.ERSOFF                     at 20:32 EST
 
 Joe,

 Thanks for the info about the "#" at the end of each line in the
 printer config. file.  I never thought about that ????

 Seems like they should have used error trapping or something.

 Anyway, I now have the HP laser printer config. file running 
 perfectly.  It now sets my printer to small font (line printer) for
 printing labels and resets it to courier to print everything else.

 Thanks for the help with my problem.  Without your help I'd 
 probably still be sitting here shouting obsenities at my computer!!

 Thanks again and take care ....... Mayer

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 70        Sat Jan 02, 1993
D.FARRINGTO1 [David <><  .]  at 21:19 EST
 
OK Joe M., Thanks. :)

Can somebody please tell me the cost to upgrade from 2.1 to 4.x and the
procedure?

David <><



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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 71        Sun Jan 03, 1993
J.SAFFER [JASON SAFFER]      at 00:50 EST
 
Mayer, you might try Avery label number 5261. I find that label works very
well with the printer driver that Joe uploaded here on GEnie. I'm using it
with the HP Laserjet III.

- Jason Saffer
  Hercules, California
  Saturday, January 2, 1993  9:38 pm

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 72        Sun Jan 03, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 09:47 EDT
 
Jason,


         BTW I have not forgotten your request on the driver.  I have
 just been overloaded with a work project the last few weeks.  Maybe
 soon I got a lot done on it the last week.  If I don't find any more
 bugs and if it compiles without problems it is done.


 >> Joe M << 


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 73        Sun Jan 03, 1993
M.ERSOFF                     at 14:24 EST
 
Jason,

 Thanks for the suggestion on the Avery 5261 labels.  I like using the
 5160 labels because I can print 30 labels at a time using the small
 font on the HP II.

 How many labels are on the 5261 labels?

 Mayer
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 74        Mon Jan 04, 1993
J.SAFFER [JASON SAFFER]      at 23:01 EST
 
Joe, thanks for keeping me in mind about the new driver. I look forward to
it!!

Mayer, I'm not sure (since I'm not at the office right now) but I think the
Avery number I mentioned has 10 address labels per sheet.

- Jason Saffer
  Hercules, California
  Sunday, January 3, 1993  12:49 pm

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 75        Tue Jan 05, 1993
GRIBNIF [Dan]                at 12:30 EST
 
gnox,

  I'll make a note of that in the README file. I've already suggested to Tyson
that he have the alert ask which way to do the purge in a future version.

David,

  Just send us the first page of your manual (rip it out), your CardFile 2.1
disk, and a check for $20 + $2 S&H.

  P.O. Box 779
  Northampton, MA  01061

Ken,

  I assume that you are having trouble figuring out how to set up the Format
for a DIF file? I'm actually not familiar with it, myself. Perhaps you could
EMail me a short file. After that, assigning the fields correctly will be
completely up to you:  DIF files are free-form and the file you are converting
will depend on how you have the database set up in Data Manager.

moses,

  You do still have to use a telecomm program on both machines in order to
actually transfer the data. For the ST side, STalker works great. I suggest
you head on over to the Portfolio RT and ask about the Portfolio side.

Dan
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 76        Wed Jan 06, 1993
D.FARRINGTO1 [David <><  .]  at 01:58 EST
 
Thanks Dan [GRIBNIF]:

I get it all to you ASAP.

David <><
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 77        Fri Jan 15, 1993
T.GILL7 [Tyson]              at 11:35 EST
 
For anyone who uses Microsoft Windows, I recently uploaded a program to
convert your version 4.xx data files to Windows Cardfile (*.CRD) format. It is
called CF2WCF.ARC, #27323 lib 2.

Best wishes, Tyson Gill at GT Software

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 78        Sat Jan 16, 1993
J.TOWLER1 [John]             at 02:41 EST
 
Tyson,

Is there any way of getting CardFile 4 to sort the way CardFile 3 did? (i.e.
alphabetically by last name, or by company if last name is empty) Actually,
what I would really like is alpha by company, or by last name if company is
empty. Maybe the next version could include those sort options (hint, hint).
Aside from that, CF 4 is great, really like the Xnotes

John



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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 79        Sun Jan 17, 1993
B.GOCKLEY [Brian G.]         at 23:21 EST
 
JOHN,

Cardfile 4 lets you sort on any field you like; just enter the Filter screen
and move the cursor to the field you want to sort on. Click on the sort button
and Voila!

Good luck,

Brian D Gockley @ ST Informer
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 80        Mon Jan 18, 1993
T.GILL7 [Tyson]              at 19:08 EST
 
No, sorry there is no longer any way to do the old last-first-company sort.
That was a casuality of the new independent field sorting and I miss it as
well...

Tyson

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 81        Mon Jan 18, 1993
D.D.MARTIN [Swampy]          at 19:34 EST
 
WORK AROUND --

I was in need of 3 different data formats for Cardfile.  One to list players
in an annual golf tournament, one for Clients and one for Suppliers. 
Different field names were needed for different data bases.  Cardfile saves
the fieldname information to the CFG file so, although clumsy, I found a work
around.

Inside my MultiDesk folder I made 3 folders named BOWDEN (yeah Coach Bobby
Bowden [Florida State Univ.]is coming to play golf with our Boosters and I'm
the golf chairman %^)), CLIENTS and SUPPLIERS.  I put a copy of Cardfile 4 in
each folder and renamed them BOWDEN.ACC. CLIENTS.ACC and SUPPLIER.ACC.

I then loaded them as Accessories in Multidesk (since they are inside folders,
they appear as MDXs.  I set the field names for each to suit my needs and
saved a CONFIG file for each inside their respective folders.  I then updated
my MDX TITLE list so that these files now show up in the MultiDesk dectory as:
   * BOWDEN
   * CLIENTS
   * SUPPLIERS

This works out great for me.  When I open any of the three files the data is
loaded and ready to use.

Hugs...Swampy
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 82        Tue Jan 19, 1993
E.KRIMEN [Ed Krimen]         at 01:34 EST
 
 >Is there any way of getting CardFile 4 to sort the way CardFile 3
 >did? (i.e.  alphabetically by last name, or by company if last name is
 >empty) Actually, what I would really like is alpha by company, or by
 >last name if company is empty. Maybe the next version could include
 >those sort options (hint, hint).

This is what I asked months ago when I got the upgrade, but everyone just
ignored me. :^)

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 83        Wed Jan 20, 1993
J.TOWLER1 [John]             at 03:43 EST
 
 
 Brian,

 >Cardfile 4 lets you sort on any field you like; just enter the Filter screen
 >

Thanks for the reply. But CF3 actually did a more sophisticated sort than just
one field only. It sorted by last names, or if there was nothing in the last
name field of a card, it used the company name in sorting the card. So far,
I've only been able to use one field in a sort. Under the default sort, last
names were sorted, but cards with company names only weren't sorted at all. I
tried sorting on company name, then resorting on last name and the result was
cards with last names were sorted correctly, but company cards were at the
beginning of the file - sorted backwards! An optional sort similar to CF3
would be nice, or as I mentioned before, with company names given priority.
Maybe what CF needs is the ability to use logical operators like OR, AND, etc.
in its sorting.

Also, CF4 is storing its appointment file in the root directory of my HD, and
I haven't found a way to get CF to look for it in my CARDFILE folder. Is this
the only place CF will look for and place the appointments, or am I missing
something?

And, one last thing.. I have 'Remind' set to ON. When I boot, the reminder
flashes up, and is immediately covered by the NEOLOAD.PRG screen (I use
NeoDesk 3, also MuliDesk Deluxe, in case that has any bearing on things). The
screen freezes, the pointer turns to a hand, and nothing happens until I press
the 'Return' key, at which bootup proceeds normally. The reminder is on screen
for just a split second before disappearing.

Appreciate any info or advice on these ones.

(Still like CardFile 4, regardless)

John
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 84        Wed Jan 20, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 06:54 EST
 
John,
 >
 >Also, CF4 is storing its appointment file in the root directory of my HD,
and
 >I haven't found a way to get CF to look for it in my CARDFILE folder. Is
this
 >the only place CF will look for and place the appointments, or am I missing
 >something?
 > When I first installed CF last month, I put my DATs and other support files
in a folder on another drive, loaded a DAT from there, saved my configuration,
and CF4 has been looking for its files there ever since.  Have you saved your
CFG with its appointment file loaded from where you want to keep it?

On the other hand I may not know what I'm talking about here because I don't
use the agenda features at all - they just can't compete with Cal, which I've
used (and paid for) since long before I got CF.

  gnox

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 85        Wed Jan 20, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 21:14 EST
 
 >Message 84        Wed Jan 20, 1993
 >G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 06:54 EST
 >
 >On the other hand I may not know what I'm talking about here because I don't
 >use the agenda features at all - they just can't compete with Cal, which
I've
 >used (and paid for) since long before I got CF.
 >------------

Gnox:

Hear, hear!! Tyson ought to take a good look at Bill Aycock's Cal.PRG.. Maybe
some collaboration (Bill & Tyson), on Cardfile 5 is in order??  :)

 <-:}Ted{:->  Wednesday, January 20, 1993 - 5:32:42 pm
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 86        Wed Jan 20, 1993
O-ZONE [Flakes]              at 21:43 EST
 
  When I first ran the program it would always default to the "last name"
search field. Now, because I switched it and then saved a file I guess, it
defaults to the "middle initial" field instead. How do I change this default
and save it?
                                        Flakes
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 87        Thu Jan 21, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 06:02 EST
 
Message: 86, left on January 20, 1993  From: O-ZONE [Flakes]


  >  When I first ran the program it would always default to the "last
  >name" search field. Now, because I switched it and then saved a file I
  >guess, it defaults to the "middle initial" field instead. How do I
  >change this default and save it? 


  Flakes,


         Just sort on the filed of your choice and save the file.  The
 default field is the last sorted field.


 >> Joe M << 






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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 88        Thu Jan 21, 1993
O-ZONE [Flakes]              at 23:15 EST
 
  Thanx, Joe. That was easy!
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 89        Fri Jan 22, 1993
E.KRIMEN [Ed Krimen]         at 01:53 EST
 
'Nother request for feature for Cardfile. :^)

Last week I was using a program on the Mac called Leads!, whose only purpose
in life as a database program is to enter leads for sales people.  Well, it
has this neat feature that automatically formats phone numbers when they're
entered.  For example, you type 8005551212 and when you hit enter or tab over
to the next field, what you typed is changed into (800) 555-1212.  I'd like to
see this in Cardfile. One problem it had was that it choked on international
numbers.  It tried to force them into the format I described above.  There
should be a way of turning off this feature for certain cards, so it doesn't
try to force international numbers into the (xxx) xxx-xxxx format.

It had another feature in which you would type only the zip code and it would
automatically enter the city and state.  I thought that was pretty cool too. 
There are also a couple of stand-alone programs out there for the ST that will
give you the city and state if you enter the zip code or area code, and vice
versa.  Could this be implemented as a separate feature in Cardfile?


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 90        Fri Jan 22, 1993
B.GOCKLEY [Brian G.]         at 17:28 EST
 
I always wanted to sort just by company, so >I< have been really pleased with
the new sort capabilities. The old way seemed to jumpy for me. I agree that
some OR, AND functions would be nice, as well as a Hide function in the
FIltering. I'd also like to see a way to group search and replace, since STeno
no longer handles the longer fields (over 256? characters on a line).

Oh yeah, a separate screen mode with just a list of names and numbers would be
great. I hope Tyson feels like programming!

Brian D Gockley @ ST Informer
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 91        Fri Jan 22, 1993
AEO.3 [Lyre]                 at 19:43 EST
 
Ed,

While I do not have CardFile as of yet (plan to purchase very soon), the phone
# auto conversion sounds good.  Without knowing any real programming, it
sounds like we need an FTEXT field with some means of having the user set
their own format.  Maybe an additional dialog with the "standard" format for
various countries handled as radio buttons.

The Zip Code suggestion would be *VERY* nice.  Something to keep in mind is
that the post office gives a discount of some kind to companies using ZIP+4. 
These companies absolutely must use the name of the local post office rather
then any "vanity names."  Vanity names are those used for sections of a town -
but are serviced by the post office named after the _entire_ town.

Hmmm, you know, considering how many options people want in CardFile, it
sounds as if it may be necessary to make some kind of separate program which
handles configuring it.  This way everyone can do what they want with it
without removing a feature that someone else likes. This would also reduce the
size of the program since the code to support configuring CardFile would no
longer be necessary to load when running the program.  Of course, some
features would have to be retained so that they can be changed on the fly, but
a separate configuration program might be worth considering.

                                        Lyre

                                        7:05 pm, January 22, 1993


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 92        Sat Jan 23, 1993
J.TOWLER1 [John]             at 00:43 EST
 
Tyson

 >No, sorry there is no longer any way to do the old last-first-company sort.
 >

Hmmm.. Was afraid you'd say that. Maybe I'll try separating the "company"
cards from the "personal" cards, and just have two separate files.
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 93        Sat Jan 23, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 06:45 EST
 
Lyre,

I like your idea of a config PRG to customize CardFile.  It sounds like a big
job to me (I know nothing about programming), but it would be truly elegant to
remove features that we don't use.  The only program I can think of that does
this sort of thing is LDW Power.

  gnox

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 94        Sat Jan 23, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 07:26 EST
 
All,

I have found a way to get CF to sort, and print without the space (where the
first name is suppose to go---a business name), on an envelope..

It has always irked me to have that 'blank' space printed..

Here is what I did.. I changed the last two lines to: "CODE" & Notes..

The code is a 3 letter code and I have Cardfile sort on it and save it that
way, so it is the default.. The code is simple.. Last names, I use the 1st
three letters.. Business or Company names, I use the initials.. Example..
Discount Software Sales, becomes "DSS"..

The last line notes, I use for notes naturally.. Also for GEnie mailing
addresses and account numbers..

I no longer use the "FIRST", MIDDLE, OR LAST NAME, of the standard CardFile
sceen shot..  This is the 1st line as it is shown on the screen..

It looks neater, I use the line above the address for the title, name,
company.. It looks neater and you can get it to sort the way you want to...
Try it, it works so much better, than the default sort on last name field... 
And you can fine tune sort, by adding a 1, 2, or 3 and so on to your 3 letter
code, to sort in the order that you want...

 <-:}Ted{:->  Friday, January 22, 1993 - 7:16:50 pm
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 95        Sat Jan 23, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 08:27 EST
 
 >Message 92        Sat Jan 23, 1993
 >J.TOWLER1 [John]             at 00:43 EST
 >
 >Tyson
 >
 > >No, sorry there is no longer any way to do the old last-first-company
sort.
 > >
 >
 >Hmmm.. Was afraid you'd say that. Maybe I'll try separating the "company"
 >cards from the "personal" cards, and just have two separate files.
 >----------

John,

Try my proceedure.. I left a how to post earlier this morning...

My work around will let you sort either buy company name or the last name,
using a 3 digit code, or how many digits you want... It would probably work
fine just using 1 letter of the alphabet...
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 96        Mon Jan 25, 1993
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 09:54 EST
 
The current USPS data base of five digit zip codes will take up about five
megabytes of hard drive space.  If you want to add Zip+4 it is many times
larger than that, obviously.
   Gordon
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 97        Tue Jan 26, 1993
GRIBNIF [Dan]                at 15:12 EST
 
Ed,

  I like the auto-formatting of phone numbers idea.

  As for the ZIP code suggestion, well, would you want CardFile to access a 5
MB database of city names every time you typed a card in? If you've ever seen
the size of that book they have at the post office with ZIP codes for every
city in the US, you'd realize it would have to be a pretty large file.

John,

  CardFile 4 defines the place to read the APT file from one time, and one
time only. This means that the very first time you save a CFG file, the APT
file will be set to load from the same place as CARDFILE.DAT. So, here's what
you do to set it to load from somewhere else:

  1. Delete your CARDFILE.CFG file.
  2. Run CardFile.
  3. Load your default CARDFILE.DAT file (from your CARDFILE folder).
  4. Save Config.
  5. If you are using it as a DA, then re-boot.

  It should now load CARDFILE.APT from the CARDFILE folder.

  If NeoDesk is covering over part of CardFile's reminder, I suggest that you
put a copy of NEOLOAD.PRG into your AUTO folder. This should solve everything.

Dan
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 98        Tue Jan 26, 1993
AEO.3 [Lyre]                 at 21:41 EST
 
Gordon,

Personally, I would have no problem with keeping the 5Mb of ZIP codes on my
hard drive.

Now, if the ZIP+4 was substabtially larger (and I can only surmize that it
would be at least another 5-8Mb) I would not want it.  Mainly because most
people do not know what the +4 extension for their address is.  An I wouldn't
want to try and figure it out.  :)

But then, I'm one of the few people who has made a point of learning his ZIP+4
code in order to help companies keep their records accurate. Otherwise most
major companies have to look this information up. Considering the economic
situation, every little bit helps so I do my bit to keep good companies costs
down.  (Corporate ZIP+4 users sending out a lot of mail get a reduced rate of
some kind.)

                                        Lyre

                                        9:13 pm, January 26, 1993

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 99        Wed Jan 27, 1993
J.TOWLER1 [John]             at 23:58 EST
 
  GRIBNIF [Dan]

 >  CardFile 4 defines the place to read the APT file from one time, and one
 >time only. This means that the very first time you save a CFG file, the APT

I've tried your instructions several times, rebooting after deleting the
CARDFILE.CFG file, saving a new config. file, again rebooting, and each time
it puts the new appointment file in the root directory. Guess I'll just have
to live with it.

 >  If NeoDesk is covering over part of CardFile's reminder, I suggest that
you
 >put a copy of NEOLOAD.PRG into your AUTO folder. This should solve
everything.
 >

In fact I do have NEOLOAD.PRG in my AUTO folder already. Might it be a problem
with the order in which AUTO programs or accessories load?

Do you think these two problems might be related in some way?

Thanks,

John


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 100       Thu Jan 28, 1993
FB [ST Librarian]            at 18:06 EST
 
Lyre,
 With ZIP+4 it would be possible to have a total of 10,000 4's for EVERY ZIP!
The ZIP+4 will surely be more than twice as big as the standard ZIP file.
 Fred Beckman

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 101       Thu Jan 28, 1993
SFRT-ASST [Kenne@SFRT]       at 21:02 EST
 
Sounds like a new program is needed that talks to Cardfile.
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 102       Fri Jan 29, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:48 EST
 
        Get read,  The Post Office is making noises about a Zip+5.
 or Zip+6


 >> Joe M << 


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 103       Fri Jan 29, 1993
AEO.3 [Lyre]                 at 13:47 EST
 
Joe,

Hmmm, how come I get the feeling that we're going to have something like:

        TOWN + SECTION + SUB-SECTION + BLOCK + STREET + BUILDING

real soon now?

Although, all things considered, they might as well just implement a massive
change (for instance, like the example above) and have done with it.  Just put
something into place which can withstand a couple of decades of ever
increasing population.  If I'm going to try and remember all of these numbers,
I would really like to start immediately.  Before my brain melts.  :)

                                        Lyre

                                        1:38 pm, January 29, 1993

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 104       Fri Jan 29, 1993
D.D.MARTIN [Swampy]          at 19:31 EST
 
LYRE

TOWN+SECTION+SUB-SECTION+BLOCK+STREET+BUILDING+ROOM+SSN (PERSON)

Maybe my grand kids will see a day when there won't be anything on an envelope
except a bunch of numbers.  Sounds Owellian to me.

Hugs...Swampy
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 105       Fri Jan 29, 1993
AEO.3 [Lyre]                 at 23:39 EST
 
Swampy,

No, I don't think we have to worry about Big Brother until paper currency is
made illegal.  At that point (when computer chips are embedded into the edge
of an ID/credit card/financial data ledger) I will definitely start worrying.

An it is not really that far off.  Consider, many people's credit cards
already contain a signature and a picture.  Automated Teller Machine cards are
gaining acceptance as an alternate means of purchasing goods.  Now go out and
take a look at the memory cards offered for Portfolios.  All we've got to do
is combine these items and a means of keeping track of everyones location and
expenses is readily available.

Personally, I believe the only thing that is preventing this type of a system
from being implemented are anti-monopoly laws (for the online service handling
the bookkeeping) and the high cost of producing such an item for national
usage.

As much as I like Gore's idea about upgrading the telecomm infrastructure of
the US, it does bring the possibility for such a card closer to being a
reality.

                                        Lyre

                                        10:17 pm, January 29, 1993


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 106       Sat Jan 30, 1993
D.FARRINGTO1 [David <><  .]  at 13:41 EST
 
Swampy:

Sounds Biblical to me. :)  OOoohh way off topic!

Not to bug but just to check.  Did you folks receive my upgrade request and/or
the manual page?

David <><

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 107       Mon Feb 01, 1993
J.TOWLER1 [John]             at 00:15 EST
 
Dan,

As to my problems with the 'Remind' screen been overwritten before I can read
it: Yes, I do have NEOLOAD.PRG in my auto folder. I've since discovered that
disabling MulitDesk Deluxe lets the screen pause so I can read it. Any ideas?
Also, I've tried to get CardFile to read my appointment file from the CardFile
folder, using your instructions, but still no go - it insists on looking in
the root directory regardless.
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 108       Mon Feb 01, 1993
D.BOWMAN9 [DAVE B]           at 02:19 EST
 
John,

I also have a problem with the "remind" feature of cardfile 4.03(?) I have
talked with the people putting out cardfile and they do not seem to have any
idea why the problem exists.  I have tried it with only 'hotwire and cardfile'
and still have the screen overwritten. the odd thing is the buttons on the
dialogue still work (if you can remember where they located on the box)

later, dave b 10:31:28 pm, Sunday, January 31, 1993
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 109       Tue Feb 02, 1993
GRIBNIF [Dan]                at 17:29 EST
 
John Towler,

  You are right on both counts. I know that I had tried both of these things
previously, and I thought they worked, but now I'm having the same
difficulties you are. I'll have a talk with Tyson about this.

  The problem with Remind does not happen with TOS 2.06/3.06 (for what it's
worth). Actually, it might just be for systems which require STARTGEM that
this happens. Also, since you have MultiDesk, you might be able to get around
this by having CardFile installed as a resident DA.

Lyre,

  Actually, the US Post Office will generate the +4's for free. They'll also
clean-up the "bad" addresses as best as possible. We considered this, but
since we couldn't actually save any money (due to insufficient volume) it
didn't really justify the extra time it would have taken to get them to do it,
and the time it would have taken for us to massage our database into and back
out of their format.

David,

  We got it and it's going out today.

Dan
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 110       Fri Feb 05, 1993
J.TOWLER1 [John]             at 23:47 EST
 
Dan,

 >John Towler,
 >
 >  You are right on both counts. I know that I had tried both of these things
 >previously, and I thought they worked, but now I'm having the same
 >difficulties you are. I'll have a talk with Tyson about this.
 >
 >  The problem with Remind does not happen with TOS 2.06/3.06 (for what it's
 >worth). Actually, it might just be for systems which require STARTGEM that
 >this happens. Also, since you have MultiDesk, you might be able to get
around
 >this by having CardFile installed as a resident DA.
 > Thanks for confirming my sanity. By the way, I do have CardFile installed
as a resident DA (so I can use the 'send' feature).


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 111       Sat Feb 06, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 08:29 EST
 
Tyson ought to look at Bill Aycock's excellent shareware Calendar program
available here on GEnie..

I never use the reminder/calendar portion of CardFile any more..

Sorry Dan, Tyson, just my humble opinion... :0

 <-:}Ted{:->  Saturday, February 6, 1993 - 7:23:34 am
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 112       Sat Feb 06, 1993
J.SAFFER [JASON SAFFER]      at 16:11 EST
 
My administrative assistant at work ran into a weird symptom with CardFile on
the Mega 4 at work. When he types in the word "Middlefield" on the address
line, the system bombs. This is a consistent pattern and only with that word.
(I'm not kidding, this is really happening). Any explanation or guidance on
this one?

- Jason Saffer
  Hercules, California
  Friday, February 5, 1993  11:36 pm

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 113       Sat Feb 06, 1993
D.D.MARTIN [Swampy]          at 18:04 EST
 
JASON

I just tried it on my Cardfile with no bombs, no problems.  That is really
strange.

Hugs...Swampy
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 114       Sun Feb 07, 1993
M.SHANNON                    at 01:28 EST
 
John, I used MEMFILE [a sector editor] to change the pathname of my '.DAT'
file to the folder on my D:\ partition. If I can you can. Try it on a backup
tho' better safe than sorry.  Maybe we'll get a SET PATH option on the next
upgrade? Anyway, Good luck MSHANNON

Hey Dan, I shoulda tried that, it's lots eaier. Thanks MSHANNON

Lyre, We have a fiat currency right now [worth only the paper it's printed on]
and everything you earn is considered a subsity on the federal governments
books. Card are to kepp track of you and your Point of Purchase. Anti-monopoly
laws are not absolute, nor is your soverignty nor is the Constitution,
EVERYTHING is being made RELATIVE. That means they can interpret meanings to
their pleasure, not yours and thats the end of it, they make the laws you have
to obey, they are immune. Period. ms

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 115       Sun Feb 07, 1993
AEO.3 [Lyre]                 at 03:48 EST
 
Dan,

It was nice to meet you today (ok, yesterday really!) at the Connecticut
Trading Fair.  I just wanted to say that CardFile is working fine.  (Of
course, I am still up reading all the documentation for the stuff I bought...)

Now all I have to do is set all of my data files up... Hmmmm, where is a
secretary when you need one?!?

                                        Lyre
                                        News Editor,
                                        ATARI EXPLORER ONLINE

                                        3:28 am, February 7, 1993



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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 116       Sun Feb 07, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 07:44 EST
 
Jason, I just tried "Middlefield" as well, with no effect.  That _is_ a
strange one.

While I'm here, does anyone have problems with the text macros?  On my TT,
when I use an Fkey I often get spurious text appended on the end of the string
that I loaded into the macro.  The spurious text appears to come from the
corresponding line in another card.  It happens so often that I've taken to
adding a lot of spaces at the end of a short text macro string.

  gnox

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 117       Sun Feb 07, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 11:28 EST
 
gnox,


         I also have some strange things happen with the text macros.
 Like yours they tend to take on a life of their own and pick up bits
 of text here and there.  It has been a while since I have used them,
 but I did find a fix; I think it may have been the same one you
 suggested.


         BTW I also am using a TT.


 >> Joe M << 

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 118       Sun Feb 07, 1993
AEO.3 [Lyre]                 at 15:26 EST
 
M.Shannon,

Seems that way to me also at times.  Live and learn.

                                        Lyre

                                        2:52 pm, February 7, 1993

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 119       Sun Feb 07, 1993
AEO.3 [Lyre]                 at 17:12 EST
 
Jason,

I'm probably the least appropriate person to mention this since I have only
just purchased CardFile.  However, is it possible that you are using the term
"middlefield" as a fieldname and therefore it is a "reserved key word" - like
in programming languages?

It was just a thought so if it is inappropriate, please forgive me. I'm just
starting to get my feet wet.  :)

                                        Lyre

                                        4:17 pm, February 7, 1993

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 120       Sun Feb 07, 1993
D.D.MARTIN [Swampy]          at 17:16 EST
 
I had problems with text macros too so I have a set of CodeKeys for use with
card file.  Granted, I have to manually load the set when I want to use it,
but that's no big deal.  It was _very_ useful when originally building my data
bases.  I couldn't imagine building a customer data base without macros.  How
many times can you type ... "MyHomeTown [TAB/RETURN/or DOWN ARROW] State of
[TAB/RETURN/or DOWN ARROW]12345" before you realize this is a _computer_
there's got to be an easier way! ?

                          %^) Hugs...Swampy
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 121       Sun Feb 07, 1993
AEO.3 [Lyre]                 at 18:46 EST
 
If one of you more experienced CardFile users could answer a simple
question...

Does CardFile save the Field Names I specify into the Configuration for
program?  Or does it save the information to the database file? I want the
latter, but I have a feeling it is the former.  :(

                                        Lyre

                                        6:42 pm, February 7, 1993

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 122       Sun Feb 07, 1993
G.GORMAN2                    at 22:05 EST
 
Hmmm, Middlefield does nothing to my system. I'm using a 4 meg 1040Ste W/TOS
2.06 and an Adspeed STe.

Glenn...

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 123       Mon Feb 08, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:49 EST
 
Lyre,


         I believe the field names are saved to the program
 configuration file, not the .DAT files.  I kind-a wish it were the
 other way, but I also liked it better when it could sort by last
 name/company.


 >> Joe M <<
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 124       Mon Feb 08, 1993
D.D.MARTIN [Swampy]          at 07:57 EST
 
LYRE --

The field names are saved with the CFG file.  I have several Folders, each
with a copy of Cardfile.ACC saved with a different name. (Clients.ACC,
Supplier.ACC etc.)  There is a separate CFG file saved to each folder for each
version.  Each folder is listed in my MultiDesk directory.  So when I need
customer information, I just open Multidesk and access the Customer.ACC. 
Slick as a whistle.

Hugs...Swampy
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 125       Mon Feb 08, 1993
AEO.3 [Lyre]                 at 20:26 EST
 
::Pout::

I had hoped that the field names were in the DAT file - it would have made
things a bit easier for my purposes (multiple DAT files with custom field
names).

Is their any possibility at all for this feature to be added?

                                        Lyre

                                        6:44 pm, February 8, 1993


PS:  I've been looking for a user-customizable, multiple use database ACC for
a long time.  I'm even willing to pay for it!  ;)

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 126       Mon Feb 08, 1993
D.D.MARTIN [Swampy]          at 22:03 EST
 
LYRE---

You can have multiple DAT files and matching CFG files, but you have to have a
separate version of the ACC for _each_ one right now.  Just rename the
Cardfile.ACC.

I have a file for my vendors with a field for my account number instead of the
home phone.  So, I have VENDOR.ACC, VENDOR.DAT and a CFG all in the same
folder.  Another folder has CLIENTS.ACC, CLIENTS.DAT and a CFG for the client
file.

With Multidesk you can have as many of these cardfiles available as you want. 
For now it works, what can I say?  %^)

Hugs...Swampy
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 127       Mon Feb 08, 1993
J.SAFFER [JASON SAFFER]      at 22:57 EST
 
Regarding typing the word "Middlefield" on the address line causing a crash
each time. Yes, that is really strange -- this only happens on my Mega 4 at
work. On my TT it works fine. Go figure.

Lyre, please don't hesitate to offer your thoughts, recommendations, etc.
That's how we all got our feet wet!! I don't think that I have "middlefield"
as a reserved key word, but I'll also doublecheck into that with my
Administrative Assistant.

- Jason Saffer
  Hercules, California
  Sunday, February 7, 1993  5:41 pm


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 128       Wed Feb 10, 1993
T.GILL7 [Tyson]              at 21:29 EST
 
Ted,

Jeesh, you keep plugging Bill Aycocks's program...

YES, already, I HAVE looked at it, ok! Give me some credit for not blindly
writing a program without looking at the other major offerings available. It
must be five years ago that I used it and I added calendar functions to
CardFile cause I personally did NOT like it or the other programs available.

I HAVE followed it's evolution and it has little currently in it that I feel
is necessary or appropriate for CardFile. I am glad you like it, I don't. That
does NOT mean I don't think it is a good program. IT IS. I just don't like it
or find it's unique strengths useful for MY needs. Certainly other people may
and that's great.

Calamus and Pagestream are both great programs. I personally find Pagestream
more to my liking, but I don't hang around the Calamus topic suggesting that
people look at Pagestream all the time... I find my wife right for me despite
times when I complain about her. Thank goodness my friends can listen to my
complaints and offer support without just suggesting that I divorce her for
another woman.

C'mon, OK? Guess I heard that Calendar recommendation just once too often.
Hope you don't mind that I finally responded to it.

Tyson


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 129       Thu Feb 11, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 04:28 EST
 
So I see others have problems with the text macros too.  Must be a leetle bug
that Tyson hasn't looked into yet?  In the meantime, padding out short strings
with spaces works reliably enough, and I can live with that.

  gnox

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 130       Thu Feb 11, 1993
GRIBNIF [Dan]                at 16:23 EST
 
Lyre,

  <smile>

  The middlefield thing is definitely not because it is any sort of reserved
word. The only thing in CardFile that even comes close to something like that
is the Group RETURN ADDRESS.

gnox,

  I know there were problems with macros in previous versions, but 4.03 works
perfectly as far as I know. Do you definitely have 4.03? Can you give me a
sequence that will cause it to mess up reliably? Does it happen the same in
Insert mode as it does in Overwrite?

Jason,

  I don't know about the Middlefield thing. Of course, we could tell you that
Tyson has a personal grudge with the town...<smile> Seriously, though, did you
try it without anything else running?

Dan
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 131       Thu Feb 11, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 18:46 EST
 
 
 >C'mon, OK? Guess I heard that Calendar recommendation just once too often.
 >Hope you don't mind that I finally responded to it.
 >
 >Tyson
 >----------

Tyson,

Yes I _DO_ mind, thank you!

Please see my Email, because I have just "IGN PERM'ed" this TOPIC!!

  -Ted-   Monday, February 8, 1993 - 8:42:56 pm



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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 132       Fri Feb 12, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 07:41 EST
 
Dan, re macros,

 > Do you definitely have 4.03?

Yes.

 > Can you give me a sequence that will cause it to mess up
 > reliably? Does it happen the same in
 > Insert mode as it does in Overwrite?

I'll get back to you on that.  I think it may be limited to Overwrite.

  gnox

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 133       Fri Feb 12, 1993
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 19:32 EST
 
Tyson -  Have you had a chance to take a look at the way the current CardFile
handles the clipboard?  It still seems to have its own ideas about where it
should be, instead of using one that is already set for the system.
  Just thought I'd ask. :)
  Gordon
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 134       Sat Feb 13, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 04:50 EST
 
Dan,

After checking a bit further into macro malfunctions, here's what I find:

When editing in Overwrite mode, if I use the Esc key to clear any line with
(say) 10 characters in it, and then hit a function key to put a 3-character
string there, I'll get the macro string plus the last 7 characters of the
string that was there before.

This does _not_ happen in Insert mode.

This may not be the whole story - I'm almost sure I've seen text from other
fields or other cards getting appended to macro strings - but it's easy to
reproduce, at least on my TT, so it's a start.

Another thing you might check into: every time Cardfile initializes (at least
when run as a resident ACC in Multidesk), it turns off the speaker in my TT. 
A minor annoyance, but I'd like to know what causes it.  OutBurST does exactly
the same thing every time I print (with any application).  If a fix can be
found for the one, maybe it will work for the other!

  gnox

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 135       Sat Feb 20, 1993
M.SHANNON                    at 13:31 EST
 
Dan, Try making a PM appointment and capturing it with your ALT-F1 key. Move a
day or week ahead and in AGENDA mode press F1 and see if your version of
CardFile prints the PM appointment as an AM appointment. ie., 9pm appointment
carried over becomes a 9AM appointment. It works that way consistently for me.
Please check it out. Thanks MSHANNON
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 136       Sun Feb 21, 1993
T.GILL7 [Tyson]              at 19:18 EST
 
Looks like we have enough odds and ends to issue an update. I am currently
tidying things up for a version 4.04 update.

- M.SHANNON:

Thanks much for finding the APT copy bug. I see it and will fix it. Good
timing!

- gnox:

THANKS for detailing how to get the macro bug to show up. I have reproduced it
from your instructions and can fix it now.

That speaker thing is really strange... I have been annoyed to find my speaker
off too without knowing why. I thought it only happened while in Turbo C...
maybe not. I know my code does nothing directly with the sound registers. I
just tried to find a problem and now of course since I am looking for it I
can't make it happen. Does anyone have any ideas or info on this?

- Gordon:

As far as I can tell the clipboard works fine. I asked Dan to check it out to
see if he finds anything. Can you be specific enough so that <even> I can see
the problem? If I set the clipboard path using the file selector that the SDS
clipboard.cpx v1.0 offers, CardFile uses it just fine. How are you setting the
clipboard path?

- Hmm, no, Middlefield doesn't mean a thing to me... Maybe when I figure out
those crop markings in England it will all become clear...


Thanks much to all for your help and suggestions!

Tyson



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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 137       Mon Feb 22, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 05:44 EST
 
Tyson, one other thing you might look into while you're at it:  I just noticed
that in the main Cardfile screen, it does not accept the numbers 1-6 from the
main keyboard.  However it does accept those numbers from the numeric keypad,
and in edit mode all numbers work normally.  (By `doesn't accept' I mean
nothing happens when I hit the key.)  I can't think of any reason why it
_should_ work that way ...

Yes, the TT speaker thing is very odd - wish I knew what to look for!

  gnox

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 138       Mon Feb 22, 1993
GRIBNIF [Dan]                at 17:34 EST
 
gnox,

  The 1-6 thing has already been fixed for the next version.

  I don't know of any reason for your speaker getting turned off; that's not
even something CardFile changes. I don't use MultiDesk on my TT, but I do use
a TT with CardFile frequently. If you look at the GENERAL.CPX, is the keyclick
turned off, or is the speaker volume turned down?

Gordon,

  The clipboard is next on my list of things to test.

Dan
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 139       Mon Feb 22, 1993
J.WILSON103 [John]           at 20:50 EST
 
Tyson, or anyone:

I have not had CardFile too long, but I think I must be missing something or
other.  When I had CardFile, ver 3 (procured on_line), it seemed like when I
added names, they were automatically alphabetized. Now with ver 4, when I add
a name they do not seem to get alphabetized.  Am I not doing something right? 
Thanks.

John
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 140       Tue Feb 23, 1993
C.NICHOLLS [BILL]            at 01:36 EST
 
I expect this question has already been answered before I got my upgrade to
Cardfile 4, but what is the correct setting in the HPDJ printer driver for
Avery address labels, 1 in x 2 5/8?  I can't get the text to coincide with the
label space. Neat envelope printing!

                                                Bill
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 141       Tue Feb 23, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:59 EST
 
gnox,


         You are right.  I never use the keyboard for numbers so I had
 not noticed it.  Strange.


 >> Joe M << 


                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  more....
 John,


         Version 4 alphabetizes a little different.  You get to chose
 the field to alphabetize on.  Go to the "Filter" menu and place the
 cursor in the field you want to sort and click on sort.  Till you
 change it that will be the new sort field.


         In the older versions CardFile would look at both the last
 name and the Company name fields and sort on both at the same time.  
 If you have a number of companies without last names listed, your
 companies will be listed at the beginning in file order.  If you read
 the older message you will see a work-a-round for this if you liked
 to old method of sorting.  I think Ted came up with it.




 >> Joe M <<
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 142       Tue Feb 23, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 06:03 EST
 
John,

Maybe you changed the sort field?  See manual p. 21.

Dan,

I generally run Cardfile as a resident ACC in Multidesk Deluxe.  As soon as I
load it, there is an audible `pop' and the TT's speaker is turned off - the
General CPX shows it `Off'.  In fact I now keep that CPX resident (and
XCONTROL in a regular ACC slot) so I can use it to turn the speaker back on
quickly.  Once loaded and resident, Cardfile has no other effect on the
speaker, no matter how many times I open or close its window - it's just when
it initializes.

As I mentioned before, the same thing happens every time I print with OutBurST
2.4 - off goes the speaker every time anything is sent to the printer.  I have
no idea what causes that either.  It's just possible that my TOS 3.01 has
something to do with it, since some other TTs don't seem affected by this.

By the way, since you explained to me that all accessories run in TTram when
it's available, I've come across one exception to that rule:  Sudden View
(Student Version).  Looks like he's found a way around that ... whether
intentionally or not, I don't know!

  gnox



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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 143       Tue Feb 23, 1993
J.WILSON103 [John]           at 20:59 EST
 
 > John,
 >
 >
 >         Version 4 alphabetizes a little different.  You get to chose
 > the field to alphabetize on.  Go to the "Filter" menu and place the
 > cursor in the field you want to sort and click on sort.  Till you
 > change it that will be the new sort field.
 > Joe,

Thanks a bunch!

John


 >Maybe you changed the sort field?  See manual p. 21.
 > And thanks to you also gnox...appreciate it.

John
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 144       Tue Feb 23, 1993
B.GOCKLEY [Brian G.]         at 22:43 EST
 
Question:

The Filter function in Cardfile allows me to 'select' a given group of cards;
is there any way to 'hide' a group?

Filter (Any, Every & [Exclude])!

Brian G. @ ST Informer
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 145       Wed Feb 24, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:33 EST
 
Brian,


         You asked if there was anyway to hide a group of cards.  I
 don't think there is a direct way, but if you select a group, save it
 to a new name then delete it you would have them well hidden.  Later
 you could merge the two files.  Maybe someone has a better idea.


 >> Joe M <<
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 146       Wed Feb 24, 1993
T.GILL7 [Tyson]              at 15:45 EST
 
gnox,

When I saw the speaker turn off it was with a VERY early TT. I have since
switched to a newer TT and I don't see the problem on it. They both have TOS
3.06 so that is not it - perhaps something hardware specific...

Tyson

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 147       Wed Feb 24, 1993
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 17:12 EST
 
 Tyson and Dan -  I will make some detailed notes on the clipboard
 problem I was having and send them to you in GEnie mail.  Right now I
 don't recall right now exactly what the problem may have been.  Maybe
 I was mistaken....
   Gordon
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 148       Thu Feb 25, 1993
M.SHANNON                    at 01:07 EST
 
gnox, Check out a '.CDK' file uploaded by me: SUDNVWX2.LZH Admittedly it need
some 'tuning' 'cause I was new to Calamus but the essentials are there for
SUDDEN-VIEW (Power Keys and Dedicated Control Keys too). Hope this helps you
out, I really like SV! M.SHANNON
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 149       Fri Feb 26, 1993
HUMPHRIES.JR [Roger]         at 21:36 EST
 
gnox,

I have a TT with TOS 3.06 and was also having a problem with the speaker being
turned off.  I normally keep the keyclick turned off anyway, so I did not
realize it for sometime.  Not until I started using Spelling Sentry and could
not get the audible alert when a word was misspelled did I actually realize
there was a problem.  The problem turned out to be OutBurST, not CardFile.  I
use CardFile 4 (v4.03) and it does not cause any problems with the sound.  Not
to get off topic here, but I recommend you upgrade to OutBurST 3.  This
problem has been recognized by Frank Pawlowski, and has been fixed in his
latest version (v3.1) -- it was also screwing up the modem parameters so I
couldn't get on GEnie without rebooting, and that also is taken care of in the
latest version.

I just ran a printing test with CardFile to check again, and the sound is
still working ok.

 -- Roger

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 150       Sat Feb 27, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 08:11 EST
 
Roger,

Thank You!!  I'm using OutBurST 2.4 (skipped 3.0) and I monitor the Outburst
topic, but I hadn't seen any or this information there!  I have also had
intermittent problems lately not being able to call GEnie back (or other
places) without rebooting, and hadn't even thought of OutBurst as a possible
cause.  I'll try Cardfile without OutBurST and see what happens.

M.SHANNON, thank you too.  I gather a CDK is a Calamus doc?  That wouldn't
help me much since I don't have Calamus.  :)   Anyway, I don't use Sudden View
much - basically it's my universal online help accessory, and I only use it
for that because it runs in ST ram (and thus doesn't tie up my TT ram).

  gnox


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 151       Sat Feb 27, 1993
J.WILSON103 [John]           at 08:30 EST
 
Do any of you use a Panasonic KXP2123, and if so, what printer driver for
CardFile do you use?  I am not having a whole lot of success. Thanks. John
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 152       Sat Feb 27, 1993
P.LONG [PB]                  at 12:53 EST
 
Hi, I just purchased CardFile 4.03 a couple of days ago, and have been having
fun and tribulations with it.  I just sucked up all the 151 messages on this
topic, and will try to digest them.  I see that others have been having the
same sort of problems I have with the printer configuration files.  I found
out about the bombs if you don't end any codes with a #, and I am still having
trouble getting CardFile to send some codes to my Epson LQ 850.  As I say, I
will digest the topic and maybe put a more intelligent message up at that
time.  By the way, are there any config files up on GEnie at all? Like, say,
for an LQ850??? thanks, Patrick.  My registration will not have reached MA
yet, here in Ontario, Canada we are a whole postal system away.
   Thanks again, Patrick
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 153       Sun Feb 28, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 05:45 EST
 
Well, it turns out that Cardfile doesn't do anything to my speaker when
OutBurst isn't there.  So it's not a problem that both OutBurst and Cardfile
have, it's strictly an OutBurst (2.4) problem.  My guess is that Cardfile, as
soon as it runs, checks to see if there's a printer connected, and whatever it
does to check triggers whatever OutBurst does to turn off the speaker.  I
hadn't thought of that ... guess it's all a false alarm as far as Cardfile is
concerned.

  gnox

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 154       Sun Feb 28, 1993
T.GILL7 [Tyson]              at 17:05 EST
 
Yes, I use OutBurst as well, so that seems to explain the speaker mystery...
Thanks!

Tyson

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 155       Fri Mar 05, 1993
GRIBNIF [Dan]                at 15:16 EST
 
Patrick,

  If you look at the STAR.CPF file, there are comments in there covering what
changes would be needed to send codes for a Start printer in IBM mode. This is
actually the same as an Epson LQ850.

Everyone,

  If you can get the clipboard to mess up, please let Tyson or me know
immediately. I've played with SDS's CPX extensively, and CardFile always
writes to the right place.

Brian,

  CardFile 4.04 (it'll be out soon!) has an option to Purge either the
filtered cards, or the unfiltered ones. This should do what you want.

Dan
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 156       Fri Mar 05, 1993
B.GOCKLEY [Brian G.]         at 20:19 EST
 
Hooray! Purging! Yeah! Hooray! I can't wait! Hooray!

Brian G. @ ST Informer
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 157       Sat Mar 06, 1993
MUSE [Tomas]                 at 04:38 EST
 
 
 >Hooray! Purging! Yeah! Hooray! I can't wait! Hooray!


 Brian, control yourself. <g>
 ===Tomas===
 March 06, 1993 @  1:08:22 am PST


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 158       Sat Mar 06, 1993
B.GOCKLEY [Brian G.]         at 07:28 EST
 
Control, nah, I gave that up in the seventies, now I try the time honored
technique of expressing myself. :)

BTW, how's that 'print one label at a time on a tractor feed printer by using
the envelope option slightly modified" thingy coming along? 

Brian G. @ ST Informer
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 159       Sat Mar 06, 1993
MUSE [Tomas]                 at 19:40 EST
 
Brian,
 I haven't looked into that idea yet.  I have the 9-pin configuration loaded
into CodeHead Ed right now.  This will take some study. <g>

 Folks, I was complaining to Mr. Gockley just the other day on the phone about
my desire to call up CardFile and print a single address label to a dot matrix
printer which I keep set up just for that purpose.  I really enjoy CardFile 4.
I use it to dial the phone mostly. I no longer remember any of my friends'
phone numbers.  <g>  However, to do the little chore that Brian described, I
have to use an old program from a STart disk called MailCall.

 This is the first version of CardFile I have used and I really haven't had it
long.  I have some time today, perhaps I'll skim the manual a little.

 But, as Ahhhnie says: "I'll be back."

 ===Tomas===
 March 06, 1993 @ 12:49:07 pm PST


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 160       Sun Mar 07, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 06:43 EST
 
Tomas,

I haven't had Cardfile long either, but I love it already!  And I haven't even
used it to dial the phone yet!   :)

Can't you print a single label by first setting up a filter that will only fit
that one card?  That wouldn't take long.  In fact I bet you could have a
CodeKeys macro do it.  Hey, I think I'll try that ...

  gnox

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 161       Sun Mar 07, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 09:43 EST
 
        If you want to print a single label you might try this.


         Use the "send" feature to send your label information to a
 text editor (I use EdHak, but you could also use STeno) then print
 that text to you printer.  If you use an accessory editor like EdHak
 or STeno you don't even need to exit the program you are in.


 >> Joe M <<
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 162       Sun Mar 07, 1993
GSCOTT-MOORE [Gerry]         at 12:21 EST
 
\\\---

I admit this is sort of off-topic but I can ask it nowhere else.  I recently
got a Mac and am slowly acclimating to it.  CardFile (among others) is making
it truly difficult to shift over totally.

Do any of you ST & Mac users know of a VERY similar CardFile type program for
the Mac?

\\\--- Gerry

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 163       Sun Mar 07, 1993
MUSE [Tomas]                 at 13:33 EST
 
Gnox,
 Dialing the phone takes an extra step or two also.  There's a keyboard
command to do it from the main screen but you still have to have the correct
prefix selected.
 I know I have to filter out all unwanted cards to print a single label, but
gee, I've called up the card I want and all I need is to "print current
label."  I want a "button," not a "procedure."

 I did re-read the manual yesterday, BTW.

 Hmmm... a CodeKeys macro... why didn't I think of that?

 ===Tomas===
 March 07, 1993 @ 10:15:47 am PST


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 164       Sun Mar 07, 1993
BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp]           at 19:23 EST
 
 >Do any of you ST & Mac users know of a VERY similar CardFile type program
for
 >the Mac?

Please respond to Gerry question in topic 22 of category 18. Thanks everyone.

                                *******Brian*********
        Written on Sunday 07 March 1993 at 07:52 p.m. AST

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 165       Mon Mar 08, 1993
B.GOCKLEY [Brian G.]         at 01:53 EST
 
Tomas, I think that the only _clean_ work around is to modify your envelope
setting. The envelope is the only print call set to do plain old address w/out
the phones, xnotes etc. Good luck.

Gerry, Touchbase on the Mac is very nice and very similar to Cardfile 4. Of
course, nothing is quite as nice!

Brian G. @ ST Informer
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 166       Mon Mar 08, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 05:44 EST
 
Tomas,

Yes, I can understand your wanting a button to print a single label - that's
one of the things I gave up when I dumped Superbase.  Well, maybe later.

I had Cardfile dial a long-distance number for me yesterday.  Hey, this _is_
fun!  Only reason I haven't done it before is that my main phone list is in my
Portfolio, and I dial with that.

  gnox

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 167       Tue Mar 09, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 03:43 EST
 
Gerry,

There are some good PIMs for the Mac, but my Mac Bible lists none that is like
truly like CardFile.

Al


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 168       Sat Mar 13, 1993
S.BLACKBURN [STEVE]          at 22:33 EST
 
I am having problems printing calendars with CF. Dan Emailed me a .CPD for the
SLM (Diablo), but it still prints the calendar on two pages. I have a Star
SG10 also and can't get a calendar to print on one page.

Anyone with an idea?

P.S. I would like to see the printing of the phone lists changed also if
possible. Now the names are on the left and the numbers are on the right, but
it's very dificult to match the name with the proper # without a ruler or
something. I would like to see the phone # printed first with the name right
next to it so that I can quickly get the right #.

Possible?


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 169       Mon Mar 15, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 06:07 EST
 
Steve,


         Take a look at your CPD and look at the line for 8 lines per
 inch.  Is that code correct?


 >> Joe M << 
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 170       Mon Mar 29, 1993
M.PASEK                      at 07:04 EST
 
A feature I would like to see is a date field. This way I could use cardfile
as a club membership list and search on dates (i.e. filter out everyone) who
has membership dues owing. /s


? help


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 171       Mon Mar 29, 1993
D.D.MARTIN [Swampy]          at 20:18 EST
 
M.PASEK --
  If you have version 4.0 you can change one of the phone number field names
(if you don't need them all) and use the field for dates. I use the first line
(that odd one in the upper right) for the date a member's dues are do for a
local club membership list.  I sort on that field the end of each month, and
use the SEND feature to invoice and address an envelope.

TO ALL --
  Cardfile is doing some wierd thing to my postscript printer. When I access
it while in PageStream it sends some data to the printer and starts the
printer light blinking but nothing ever prints.  It screws up to the point
that I have to instruct PGS to print which results in an _immediate_ error
message on the printer at which time I can reset the printer and do a normal
print routine.  Any ideas?

Hugs...Swampy


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 172       Mon Mar 29, 1993
D.FLORY [ALERTsys*Cop]       at 21:15 EST
 
Rename one of the existing fields and put in the dates making sure
 you always use the same format and you can do what you want, now.

  (-:  Happy Bytes  :-)

     Dave Flory, ALERTsys*Cop
     17:40 PST - 03/29/93

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 173       Tue Mar 30, 1993
MUSE [Tomas]                 at 02:17 EST
 
 
 D.D.MARTIN [Swampy]  Says:

 >
 >  Any ideas?
 >

  Yes, I think you'd better not do that anymore, Swamps.  <g>
 ===Tomas===
 March 29, 1993 @  9:36:52 pm PST


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 174       Tue Mar 30, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 06:08 EST
 
   >   Cardfile is doing some wierd thing to my postscript         <
    > printer. When I access it while in PageStream it sends some   <
    > data to the printer and starts the printer light blinking but <
    > nothing ever prints.                                          <

         I don't know if this has anything to do with PageStream or
 postscript.  Are you telling Cardfile to print anything?  It sounds
 like something is sending less than a full page to your printer and
 it is waiting for a form feed or more data to full out the page.

 >> Joe M << 


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 175       Tue Mar 30, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 07:03 EST
 
As D.D. points out, any field can be used for the date. It's very handy.

Al

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 176       Tue Mar 30, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 07:13 EST
 
M.PASEK,

It would be nice to have a date field that would let you filter all the cards
before (or after) a certain date, as in Superbase.  But if you use a year-
month-day format (like GEnie's date format) in any field, you can _almost_
accomplish the same thing by sorting on that field and saving the results. 
However I don't do this with my newsletter subscriber list, because I like
having it in alpha order; I use the top line for renewed / expired status,
using a CodeKeys macro to update that line each month when I print the labels.

D.D.,

Cardfile doesn't have a PS driver, does it??

  gnox


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 177       Wed Mar 31, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 05:07 EST
 
Tyson, my OutBurst 3.1 just arrived, and it does indeed fix the problem 2.4
had regarding the TT speaker, so running Cardfile no longer mutes the system. 
(And there are other significant improvements too!    :)

  gnox

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 178       Wed Mar 31, 1993
D.D.MARTIN [Swampy]          at 06:35 EST
 
JOE --
  No, I am not printing directly from Cardfile.  But if I am using PageStream
and access Cardfile for whatever reason the printer light on my HPIII starts
blinking like it is receiving information.  It keeps blinking and the only way
to stop it is to PRINT from PGS which _immediately_ gives an error message
(illegal instruction error).  I then have to reset the printer and all is
normal until the next time I access Cardfile then the same thing happens.

TOMAS --
  You be nice, or I'll tell the world that I'm also using the CodeHead print
spooler and MDX with PGS.  <g>

GNOX --
   No, Cardfile does not have a PS driver.  I've had good luck with the HP
driver though when printing the calendar and agenda/calendar pages.  I use
Cardfile to "address" envelopes in PGS (using the SEND feature).  Pretty neat
trick.  %^)

Hugs...Swampy

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 179       Wed Mar 31, 1993
B.GOCKLEY [Brian G.]         at 10:25 EST
 
I wonder why Cardfile 4 can't access it's own "last modified" field? I bet
this is coming in an upgrade, otherwise, why would they have added it?

Speaking of printers, what are you folks with an SLM doing? I just got one and
it has thrown Cardfile 4 into printer limbo!

Brian G. @ ST Informer Magazine (And getting ready for the June 12-13 CT
AtariFest)
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 180       Thu Apr 01, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:58 EST
 
   > I wonder why Cardfile 4 can't access it's own "last modified" <
    > field?                                                        <

         Because that field is updated by CardFile itself.  You don't
 need to access it.  Every time you update a card CardFile changes
 that date to the current date.  Now five years from now when you are
 looking at that card and you know George moved last year you will
 know your address is five years old and must be an old address <grin>.

 >> Joe M << 


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 181       Thu Apr 01, 1993
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 06:18 EST
 
D.D.,

I have a glimmer of a hunch what's going on ... Cardfile sends out some kind
of signal to test for the presence of a printer when it runs.  The printer is
trying to do something with this because of the signals it's already received
from the PageStream driver.  I'll bet that if you run Cardfile as a _resident_
ACC _before_ you run PageStream, that printer glitch won't happen.

On the other hand, I won't bet all that much.  :)

Brian,

 > I wonder why Cardfile 4 can't access it's own "last modified" field?
 > I bet this is coming in an upgrade, otherwise, why would they have
 > added it?

Good question - I've been wondering that myself!

  gnox


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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 182       Thu Apr 01, 1993
E.WISNIEWSK1 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 07:34 EST
 
  CardFile 4 - Is it out already???

                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
                ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wednesday, March 31, 1993 - 10:28:24 pm
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 183       Thu Apr 01, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 18:29 EST
 
CardFile 4 has been out for some time. It's what I am using. Would never be
without it.

Al

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 184       Thu Apr 01, 1993
B.GOCKLEY [Brian G.]         at 20:13 EST
 
Re: the date field - I know Cardfile 4 accesses i`this info, I expect that 
someday there will be a user viewable (and modifiable) date.

Re: the SLM - I'm now printing everything to the Clipboard, and then pasting
it into WordFlair where I can adjust the font/spacing etc. This is _not_ the
nice convenient solution I have come to know. Maybe we could get a GDOS
version from Tyson? Any takers?

Brian G. @ ST Informer Magazine (getting ready for the June 12-13 CT Fest '93)
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 185       Fri Apr 02, 1993
T.GILL7 [Tyson]              at 15:41 EST
 
CardFile does a Setprt(-1) upon startup just to check the printer
configuration word. This way it determines if your printer is set to use the
serial or parallel port. If then checks if the printer is ready using Bcostat.
If ready, it sends the initialization string from your configuration file (if
one exists) to set up the printer.

If your printer receives characters when CardFile starts up, the only way I
could anticipate that happening is if you have an initialization string in
your default printer configuration file. Check your CPF file to make sure your
INITIALIZATION prefix is not defined.

************

I just read an overview of PIM software in the April issue of Computer
Shopper. It listed 104 PIM programs, 31 of which use a mouse driven interface.
The prices started at $69.

Hmmph, they didn't list CardFile!!

Tyson

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 186       Fri Apr 02, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 20:01 EST
 
Tyson,

I find CF more and more useful all the time. Keep up the good work. It's very
much appreciated.

Al

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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 187       Sat Apr 03, 1993
D.D.MARTIN [Swampy]          at 09:46 EST
 
GNOX --

I have Cardfile running as resident inside MultiDesk.  Guess I could move it
to the Atari ACC list and see if that helps.

JEFF --

Where ya been, hon?  <g>

Hugs...Swampy
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 188       Sat Apr 03, 1993
E.WISNIEWSK1 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 14:18 EST
 
  Actually I was thinking that I had CardFile V3.03 instead of V4.03. :-}...

                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
                ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
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Friday, April 2, 1993 - 10:53:22 am
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 189       Sat Apr 03, 1993
J.KRZYSZTOW [JEFFREY]        at 15:59 EST
 
Tyson,

1)  Would it be possible to change when CardFile sends the printer
initialization sequence when running as an Desk Accessory?  It seems to send
it out immediately upon booting.  I would prefer to see it sent each time
something is sent to the printer.  This way the printer will be correctly set
up.

2)  Is it possible to have longer than 3 characters in the printer sequence
strings in the CPF files?

Jeffrey
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Category 17,  Topic 7
Message 190       Sat Apr 03, 1993
T.GILL7 [Tyson]              at 23:46 EST
 
Jeffery,

1) The idea with the initialization sequence is that it allows CardFile to
setup your printer when you boot your computer. I originally put it in because
I always forgot to set my DeskJet to draft mode until I printed some long file
and wasting ink. I don't know if anyone really uses that option. The
configuration files have prefix and suffix definitions to set and restore the
printer as desired for each particular job. I don't quite see what it would
gain to also send the initialization sequence for each job...

2) Yea, if I understand your question correctly, you can send up to 100
characters per prefix or suffix! I am not sure where you picked up a 3
character limit. The HPLASER.CPF file has quite a few prefix and suffix
sequences of 5 or 6 characters per line.

Hope I got your questions straight, thanks for asking!

Tyson





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