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Topic 25        Tue Jan 28, 1992
GENIELAMP [John Peters]      at 14:27 EST
Sub: I'm looking for...

I know the file is out there, it was mentioned in a recent article. Looks like
someone thought someone else must of uploaded it.  If you have a special
request for a file you know exists, leave it here.
202 message(s) total.
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 1         Sat Jan 08, 1994
W.DAVIS20 [W.D.]             at 01:17 EST

Joe,

        Speaking of Backing-up,  I have a floptical Disk Drive.  I just bought
it recently, and one of the reason I bought it was to do Back-ups of my hard
disk.  I would like to use it once a week for this.  My question is, is there
a good program for backing up with a floptical that will after the first back-
up, back- up just the changes.  Also, I'd like it to have good and easy to use
restore features in the event I ever have a major HD failure.

Regards,

W.D.

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 2         Sat Jan 08, 1994
MIKE-ALLEN [NM~SysOp]        at 01:48 EST

Gnox,

I dunno.  I have both EdHak and MemFile.  I prefer MemFile for sector hacking.
Of course, MemFile only works on 512 byte sectors.

Both are super-neat utilities.

        Mike Allen
        ST HelpDesk~Sysop

        Written: 10:41 PM Mountain Time
                 Friday, January 7, 1994

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 3         Sat Jan 08, 1994
G.LEONE [Gerry]              at 01:53 EST

 >J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 03:01 EST

 >Before you take your computer apart, also consider the fact that it might be
a
 >AUTO program or a Desk Accessory that is causing the crashes.

Jeff -- Thanks, but it happened the first few times on a BARE system.
 No AUTOs, no ACCs... nothing but ICD 6.0.8 .

 >CBARRON                      at 03:11 EST
 >
 >Gerry, Is it over heating, can it be the power supply??

Good question.  But no, it seems no warmer than usual.  In fact, the
temperatures inside the house have been lower than normal lately (we've been
having a cold spell that has put temps down near -10F).

 >J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:30 EST
 >
 >         You might try:
 >
 > Rising Star Computers

Thanks!  I appreciate it.  Hope I won't need it, tho.  I'm gonna do the
reseating tomorrow (Saturday).

 >         However the first thing I would do is to disable all DA's and
 > Auto programs.  Then if you still have a problem the next thing is,
 > depending on your technical level is to re-seat all the chips and
 > check the power supply, both common problems that can be handled by
 > anyone who has a little experience.

Again, no PRGs or ACCs.  I know how to reseat, but don't know how to check the
power supply?  But I've got a VOM and have no problems opening 'er up.  What
do I look for?


And thanks for the Toad number, Al!


  -Gerry



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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 4         Sat Jan 08, 1994
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 06:48 EST

Al,

OK, maybe you're right when it comes to sector hacking - I have very little
experience with that!

  gnox


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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 5         Sat Jan 08, 1994
C.MASSEY3 [Charlie]          at 07:11 EST

Al,

Have you seen EdHak 3.02?

Just checking. <g>

    ~~*
          O       Charlie
           \-----?$$$$$$$$>
      ~~~~====~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Near Cypress Gardens

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 6         Sat Jan 08, 1994
W.PIKE [PACMan]              at 08:02 EST


 >I have some disks that come up "data on disk may be bad".  Is there any
 >program I can use to save part of the information on these disks.  Can I
 >download it. I'm a musician and not real knowledgable on these problems so
 >would appreciate any help.

 If the disks are floppy disks, I have been able to recover data by using
Hypercopy, which is a disk copier program.  In the program there is a selector
to set how many times the program trys to read a sector before assuming that
it is bad.  I set this to max, it will then return a dialog box that says
something like "bad sector: retry,abort,best match" I the select best match.
Do this for each bad sector.  I have been able to recover many files this way.

 I think that the copy program is in the library but I don't know the file
number.  Hope this helps.

 Bill

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 7         Sat Jan 08, 1994
C.UNDERWOOD1 [Carson]        at 10:03 EST

Charlie,

Your signature is interesting. Is it a water skier being pulled by an
expensive boat? Why else the "$"?

                            Carson

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 8         Sat Jan 08, 1994
ARCHIVIST [Charlie]          at 10:45 EST

W.D., yes there is just such a backup program. Check out Diamond Back II (soon
to be version 3). It's an excellent hard drive backup and restore program, and
quite flexible. It will do full, partial (just important stuff) and
incremental (just changes) backups very easily. Support is well provided here
on-line by Oregon Research, and you can find out more about it in the topic
here.

Charlie/sysop
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 9         Sat Jan 08, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 11:41 EST

Message 166, Fri Jan 07, 1994 C.MASSEY3 [Charlie]

    >   I found that if, after booting, I went to the E drive and   <
    > loaded and closed  some other program and leaving the window  <
    > open, I could go back to D and DMST  works like a charm.      <

         I got no idea.


                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  more....

 Gnox,

         While I might be EdHak's biggest supporter around here, for
 straight sector editing I would prefer MemFile.  However, I seldom
 did out MemFile, I just use my handy EdHak.  I don't think I have
 even seen MemFile for over two years.


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 Message 177, Sat Jan 08, 1994 G.LEONE [Gerry]

    >   I know how to reseat, but don't know how to check           <
    > the power supply?  But I've got a VOM and have no problems    <
    > opening 'er up.   What do I look for?                         <

         There is a 5V and 12V output, make sure you are getting that.
  Sorry I don't know what the upper and lower limits are.


 >> Joe M <<

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 10        Sat Jan 08, 1994
BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp]           at 11:52 EST

Al,
        On this one we definitely disagree and I must concur with Gonx, EdHak
is simply the best.

 BTW, I use both Steno and EdHak all the time now.

Mike,
        Only works on 512 sectors? Another reason for Edhak for me.

Charlie,
        It isn't have you seen it but ather how much you have used it. I
played with MemFile and went back to EdHak.

~~Brian..Written on Saturday 08 January 1994 at 11:43 a.m. ADT



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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 11        Sat Jan 08, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 12:55 EST

Rob,

My pleasure (linearly, of course...).

W.D.,

My absolute favorite is GOOD, which may still be available (try Toad). It
works great with any kind of drive (SyQuest, floppy, Floptical), double-checks
file integrity each time, saves in standard GEM format, and works just as fast
as some of the newer methods. (It's amazing to see how fast a good file-
copying routine can go!)

I've used GOOD since 1988 or 1989.

There are excellent alternatives, and you'll hear of them from others. But
GOOD is the only backup software I've seen that runs perfectly on any Atari,
handles any medium, requires no more than 1 meg (or less, sometimes) of RAM,
can be halted at any time, can recover if you lose ALL the backup datasets,
and can even run in a separate GEM-TOS window and multitask under Geneva.

Quite a list.

Mike,

Yes, MemFile has that limitation. So I usually copy whatever I need to edit
over to a Floptical, to make sure the sectors are 512 bytes.

Gerry,

The expert in the U.S. on Atari power supplies is Brad at Best:

 Best Electronics
 2021 The Alameda Suite 290
 San Jose, California  95126
 Work phone: 408-243-6950

Al


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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 12        Sat Jan 08, 1994
DAEDWARDS [Warrl]            at 15:32 EST

W.Davis:

If your floptical is drive A or B, try Vault in the libraries.

Vault has some things I seriously don't like about it (can't really automate
backups), but is the most sophisticated I've seen in terms of real-world
backup needs and is quite robust -- and in the rare event that it aborts
(which it does cleanly) out, you can look at its log files and identify the
file that gave it trouble.

It comes with a restore program which I'm not real sure how to use most
effectively -- I don't restore very often -- but which DOES get the stuff onto
your hard drive.

And it doesn't do image backups.  Image backups are worse than no backups at
all.  (If you have no backup at all, at least you KNOW you have no backup and
won't waste time in a fruitless effort to restore.)

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

OK, what I'm looking for.

One, I want a RAMdisk that can be loaded and UNloaded.  Doesn't have to be
reset-proof.  I have one specific program I'm working on that I want a RAMdisk
for.

Two, I want a disk cacheing program which is compatible with early (preferably
all) versions of TOS, and can be set to buffer writes to floppy.  It would be
nice if this could also be loaded and unloaded. Real gravy would be if the
docs explain how to determine whether the cache is through with all write
requests to a certain drive.

What I'm working on is a backup program similar to Vault, which can be set to
compress the files being backed up.  I plan to use ZIP or Questor's LZH as the
compressor.
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 13        Sat Jan 08, 1994
MIKE-ALLEN [NM~SysOp]        at 17:17 EST

Brian,

 >
 >        Only works on 512 sectors? Another reason for Edhak for me.
 >
 >

This restriction only applies to sector hacking.  Files don't run into this
problem.  However, I too use EdHak for most things.  I just find sector
hacking much easier with MemFile (on my floppies - I have BGM partitions on my
HD).

Both have their strengths and place.  I wouldn't be without either.

        Mike Allen
        ST HelpDesk~Sysop

        Written: 2:35 PM Mountain Time
                 Saturday, January 8, 1994

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 14        Sat Jan 08, 1994
DMJ [dmj]                    at 19:57 EST

Warrl:

Do you need a RAM disk program, or a set of routines you could call from your
program to install/uninstall the RAM disk?  Most RAM disks are either AUTO-
folder RAM disks or accessory RAM disks.  The former can't really be
uninstalled without a reset, and the latter can have some compatibility
problems or other snafus.

If you need a set of routines, send me E-mail.

     -dmj

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 15        Sat Jan 08, 1994
G.LEONE [Gerry]              at 20:39 EST

Mini-update:

Well, I reseated every chip that was reseatable.  (Fewer than I thought: the 2
TOS 1.62 chips, the 68000, another great big square chip that looks like the
68000 and sits under the power supply, and a chip on the keyboard).  Left the
STe running all day and it didn't bomb once.

However, I know, a day doth not a bug-free computer make.

The one odd thing that DID happen:  whenever my Drive B is plugged into the
computer, the light remains on constantly, it constantly runs, and the
computer claims that Drive B does not respond.  I'll see how it all looks
tomorrow, and open 'er up again if it remains the same after a long night's
sleep.

  -Gerry
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 16        Sat Jan 08, 1994
G.LEONE [Gerry]              at 20:48 EST

YIKES!  I just realized that NEITHER of my floppy drives are working.
 I MUSTA done something wrong.

Now where's that Phillips head...?

  -Gerry
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 17        Sun Jan 09, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 03:26 EST

Charlie,

No, I don't think I've seen 3.02. I had a demo a while back, and found it
interesting but not for me. i sue STeno as a formatted text editor, Edith as a
programmer's editor (the best, clearly the best), and MemFile as a hacker.

Al

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 18        Sun Jan 09, 1994
C.MASSEY3 [Charlie]          at 05:33 EST

Carson,

You got it!  Water Ski Capital of the World. (Plug, Plug, Plug Alert) <g>

  ~~*
          O       Charlie
           \-----?$$$$$$$$>
      ~~~~====~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Near Cypress Gardens


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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 19        Sun Jan 09, 1994
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson]    at 06:58 EST

   Memfile has got to be one of the best little utilities I have. It
 has saved me LOTS of hours trying to figure out what was going wrong
 in a program. It's a real asset to me in my programming. I can
 compare the data on my drive vs. the data in memory, etc. all in one
 easy to use program.

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 20        Sun Jan 09, 1994
C.GRIMSBY                    at 07:00 EST

  J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold]:

 >>> The data is all in ASCII.  You could load it into something like
 >>> Flash II (plug plug!!) to look at it.  For each record there is
 >>> information that tells the program how large the field is (and
 >>> how much data is in that field) and the actual text itself.  I
 >>> don't have the exact breakdown any more but I remember it being
 >>> fairly obvious.

???  Are you sure about this???  My DMST files are all data files, i.e. non-
ASCII.

SwiftCalc files, that's the companion Spreadsheet program, _are_ ASCII files,
but not the DMST.

(further qualification, I don't have DMST _Pro_ either!)


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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 21        Sun Jan 09, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 09:46 EST

Message 194, Sun Jan 09, 1994 C.GRIMSBY

    >   ???  Are you sure about this???  My DMST files are all data <
    > files, i.e.  non-ASCII.                                       <

         I just checked mine and the data is ASCII.  There is
 non-ASCII information separating each field, each record is broken
 down by fields and each field is listed in a separate section so the
 record is not all in one place.

 >> Joe M <<

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 22        Sun Jan 09, 1994
G.LEONE [Gerry]              at 12:21 EST

The next day...

Never mind.  I opened 'er up this morning, fiddled with the floppy ribbon
cable and the metal housing that "grips" the back of the drive, put it back
together and it's fine again.

Now to see if the ORIGINAL problem has been fixed... !

  -Gerry
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 23        Sun Jan 09, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 13:32 EST

Warrl,

The Floptical can't be Drive A: or B: on most systems.

I forgot to mention that PMC.PRG is designed just for Floptical backups. It
actually works very, very well, and is very fast, but crashes when accessing
more than a certain number of files/and-or/folders. In most systems it
probably will work fine. It barfs when I try to use it to back up a drive with
1,300-1,500 folders and 5,000-7,000 files.

It's here on GEnie as EASYBACK, with an ARC, LZH or ZIP extender.

Warrl, I've tried VAULT, and it is nowhere near as robust as GOOD.TOS.

Al

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 24        Sun Jan 09, 1994
DAEDWARDS [Warrl]            at 16:14 EST

DMJ:

 >Do you need a RAM disk program, or a set of routines...

I don't actually have a RAMdisk program at the moment, other than the one
embedded in Turtle -- which is not accessible outside Turtle.

Oh, I forgot to mention -- I am really fond of shareware/PD.

= = = = = =

Al Fasoldt:

 >...but crashes when accessing more than a certain number of
 >files and/or folders.

I hate that.
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 25        Sun Jan 09, 1994
DMJ [dmj]                    at 20:06 EST

Warrl,

What I was asking is, do you need to use the RAM disk from within your program
(or only have it installed while your program is running), or do you need a
RAM disk for your own use as well?

The reason I ask is, I don't know of any stable RAM disk that will let you
uninstall it without a reset.  So if you need a RAM disk to make your program
work (you seemed to hint at that) then it's best if your program installs the
RAM disk when it runs, does its work, and uninstalls the RAM disk when it
exits.  I can send you some routines for this, but we need to discuss the
details through E-mail.

If this _isn't_ what you need, then never mind.

 - I am really fond of shareware/PD.

Me too.  If I knew of anything that fit your need, I'd let you know.

     -dmj

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 26        Sun Jan 09, 1994
W.DAVIS20 [W.D.]             at 20:23 EST

Charlie,

        Will Diamond Back back-up to Flopticals?  Remember, that TOS sees
Flopticals as HD partitions.

Al,

        Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll look into it.  Sounds like GOOD is
good.  :)

Warrl,

        Thanks for the input, but Floppticals are a SCSI device, and cannot be
Drive a or b.


Thanks,

W.D.



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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 27        Sun Jan 09, 1994
DAEDWARDS [Warrl]            at 21:30 EST

DMJ:

I need the RAMdisk and buffering only within the program I'm working on.  A
set of routines I can call from GFA Basic is fine... an external module that I
can invoke with a command line is fine...

(Actually, for as long as the RAMdisk is installed, it must *really* be hooked
into the OS because I intend to put the compression program on it for fast
access.)
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 28        Sun Jan 09, 1994
R.JANSSEN1 [DAMIAN]          at 22:09 EST

The text file that instructs on SM124 screen enlargement is called MONOMOD.TXT
and is very helpful and step-by-step.  Just make sure and heed _ALL_ warnings
because you will be getting snuggly with some _high_ voltage once you open the
case.

You also might want to check out a file called MONOTEST.PRG that will generate
test patterns as you tweek.  Both are in the ST library.

This post will self-distruct as soon as you crack the case :>

-Damian
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 29        Sun Jan 09, 1994
J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold]  at 22:14 EST

Well, I guess I lied a little bit.  DMST files are both ASCII and binary.  All
of the text that you enter into a data field is stored as pure ASCII.  There
are other fields as well that store information about the data fields, like
length of the text in the field, placement of the field within the database,
etc.  The "binary" data is (I believe) hex data.

The best way to figure this all out is to load the data file into a binary
editor that displays text in two ways - as ASCII and as binary numbers.  There
are a number of binary-type editors available here on GEnie that works good
for something like this.  I believe I used an old STart program called "Disk
Mechanic" (or something like that).

                                                John T.
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 30        Mon Jan 10, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:00 EST

Message 200, Sun Jan 09, 1994 W.DAVIS20 [W.D.]



    >    Will Diamond Back back-up to Flopticals?  Remember, that   <
    > TOS sees Flopticals as HD partitions.                         <

         Diamond Back has no problems backing up to a hard drive.
 That's the way I do my backups.  I seem to remember some
 conversations about backing up to Flopticals; you might want to check
 in at the Diamond Back topic to find out more.

 >> Joe M <<

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 32        Mon Jan 10, 1994
D.FARRINGTO1 [David <><  .]  at 23:17 EST

...a program called PixArt by ST Club.  I'm looking for an address or a USA
distributor.  Anybody heard of these folks?

David <><
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 33        Tue Jan 11, 1994
DMJ [dmj]                    at 00:07 EST

The ST Club (now called FaST Club) can be reached at this new address:

     FaST Club
     7 Musters Road
     Nottingham NG2 7PP
     ENGLAND

     (+44) 602-455250 Telephone
     (+44) 602-455305 Fax

However, CodeHead sells several of their products, like Imagecopy 2... you
might ask them if they have this one or plan on getting it.

     -dmj

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 34        Tue Jan 11, 1994
R.COOPER2 [Rob]              at 03:35 EST

David <><:

        To add to what dmj posted:

        The ST Club publishes a monthly magazine called ST Applications, and
the November 93 issue has an ad on the back cover, listing PixArt as costing
#34.95 (that's English pounds).  PixArt is a German product, produced by
Omikron (Mortimer, Mortimer Deluxe, and more).  You may have better luck
looking for a US distributor for Omikron.  I'm not sure if the CodeHeads
handle any Omikron stuff, though.

        Hope this helps!

                                                Rob
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 35        Tue Jan 11, 1994
D.FARRINGTO1 [David <><  .]  at 03:36 EST

djm:

Thanks for the fast responce.  I'll ask the codeheads first and if not write
England.

Thanks again.

David <><
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 36        Tue Jan 11, 1994
DMJ [dmj]                    at 20:46 EST

Rob,

Whoops... yer right, should'a thought before spouting off.

     -dmj

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 37        Tue Jan 11, 1994
W.DAVIS20 [W.D.]             at 22:50 EST

Joe,

        Thanks, I'll definately look at that possibility.

Regards,

W.D.

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 38        Wed Jan 12, 1994
J.JOHNSON17 [BRIAN       ]   at 01:49 EST

Does anyone know if there are HP Laserjet drivers available for PC Board
Designer from Abucus. I need a good PC layout program for my ST and would like
to be able to print through my Epson Action Laser II. Does anyone have any
experience with this program or suggest any similar program?

Thanks,

Brian Johnson
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 39        Wed Jan 12, 1994
D.FARRINGTO1 [David <><  .]  at 04:23 EST

Thanks Rob for you answer.  Do you have the magazine you talked about?  I live
on Maui, the magazine maybe on Oahu but I don't know anybody here with it.  If
you do have the magazine does it have the address for PixArt?  If it does
could you post it for me?

David <><

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 40        Wed Jan 12, 1994
DMJ [dmj]                    at 19:03 EST

Help!

I am in need of a good disk catalog program, that has the following
requirements:

 o Simple to use (I don't have a lot of time to learn to use it).
 o Robust (I don't like programs that crash).
 o Allows me to describe files, not just list them.
 o Has small data files (my Dietized hard drive is nearly full).
 o Has good search capability.

I could write one, but I don't have the time.

I could search for catalog programs in the library, but I wouldn't know
whether they fit the above requirements without downloading all of them and
checking them out... and I'd like to know other people's experiences.

Working with Geneva would also be a plus, but is not a requirement. I have
about 500 disks that need sorting out, and doing it would be a long, grueling
task.  I'd rather just have an index that let me find whatever I needed,
wherever it was.

     -dmj

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 41        Wed Jan 12, 1994
R.COOPER2 [Rob]              at 19:35 EST

David <><

        I have the issue of ST Applications here, which has an advertisement
from the FaST Club in the UK, selling PixArt and other Omikron software.
Apparently, their address has changed since this ad was published (the
November '93 issue).  Someone else had posted the new address here (I think it
was dmj), with phone and fax numbers.  It was a few messages back.  If you
missed it, I can find it in my archive.  Let me know.


Rob

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 42        Wed Jan 12, 1994
M.MOTOGAWA [MEL]             at 19:41 EST

Dmj,

     I recommend STDCAT wholeheartedly.  I've tried many catalogers in the
file library and this is the only one I've stuck with over the years.  Imho,
it fits all of your criteria nicely.  With Geneva, you can put fire up STDCAT,
use it, put it to sleep and come back to it when you're ready to catalog more
disks.  For ease of starting, organizing, sorting, printing and adding to
one's disk collection, it's very cool with lot's of features and although GEM
based, there are plenty of keyboard equivalents.  Once you use it, you can see
that the author really put a lot of thought into it, to make it easy to use
and powerful.  It's file #28565 STDCAT52.ZIP 61952.

     - Mel

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 43        Wed Jan 12, 1994
DMJ [dmj]                    at 20:21 EST

David,

I have the magazine (I subscribe to ST Applications).  I looked through the
latest issue and couldn't find an address (in Germany) for Omikron.

You can subscribe to STA directly from FaST Club; they claim 25% of their
readers do not live in the UK.  It's 37 pounds for 12 issues. You can also get
subscriptions from Toad Computers, where you don't have to fiddle with British
pounds, but this costs more.

     -dmj

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 44        Wed Jan 12, 1994
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson]    at 20:27 EST

 DMJ,
   There is a program that pretty much fits your needs. It is a simple
 TOS program with regular menus (not GEM). It runs on my MSTE TOS 2.06
 and is a fairly old program. You can sort by name, ext., or disk
 number.

   It is called DISCAT and going by my directory name (it helps to
 have directory names the same as the program :-) ), it is called
 DISCAT13.???.

   It works real well. I like it's simplicity. Cataloging disk is a
 chore in itself and I also don't need something making it even worst.
 :-)

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 45        Thu Jan 13, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:01 EST

Message  40, Wed Jan 12, 1994 DMJ [dmj]

         As Mel said STCAT.  It is the best I have found.  The only
 think I would add is a better search capability, or maybe I need to
 lean how to use it better. <grin>

 >> Joe M <<


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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 46        Thu Jan 13, 1994
DMJ [dmj]                    at 19:04 EST

Whoever recommended STDCAT for catalogging disks (I have a short memory ;-)
thank you... the program seems to do exactly what I want, and it even does it
in a way I like.  (Highly unusual for me.) <g>

Is the author's address still current?  I'd like to "thank" him personally...
in the form of Shareware registration... but I'd like to make sure the address
is accurate.

     -dmj

P.S. It worked almost flawlessly in Geneva, as well, which really made my day.

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Message 47        Thu Jan 13, 1994
M.MOTOGAWA [MEL]             at 19:32 EST

Dmj,

     Yes, the address is still current.  I tried out GEnie's new Internet
Email Gateway the other day by emailing Bob and he gave me his address which
is still the same as what's in the 5.2 docs, although the prg is now at 5.3.
I don't think he has GEnie access, but you can reach him through the Internet
mail.

     - Mel

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Message 48        Fri Jan 14, 1994
D.BOWMAN9 [>>dave b<<]       at 01:26 EST

DMJ,

have you tried STcat51.??? it seems to have all or most of the requirements
you set forth.

laterm, dave b
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Message 49        Fri Jan 14, 1994
B.STOREY [Billy B.]          at 07:43 EST

I think STDCAT will do all you wish. It is extremely easy to use. I keep the
STDCAT folder on my H/D, and a backup copy in my drive B and save to both,
just in case of a H/D crash, (which hasn't happened since I got my new Maxtor
drive). You just slip in a disk, click on the menu item Add Disk, it reads it,
then you click on Disk Comment, and add a description. If you change the disk,
slip it in and click on Disk Update. You can print out the list in several
forms.


There are quite a few menu items available, so there is a learning experience
to get thru, but it does all you asked for.

Billy B.


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Message 50        Fri Jan 14, 1994
MIKE-ALLEN [NM~SysOp]        at 18:07 EST

Hmmm.  Maybe I'll have to give STDCAT another try.  I tried it once and found
it extremely confusing!  Must be me.

Under CP/M there used to be a PD utility called FATCAT.  Did a very nice job
of cataloging disks and give nice options for listing/sorting.  Not nearly as
fancy as STDCAT, but did let me find duplicate files on fifty 'leben different
disks of find where I had stashed a particular file.  It would even look
inside .LBR files (predecessor to .ARCs).

        Mike Allen
        ST HelpDesk~Sysop

        Written: 3:15 PM Mountain Time
                 Friday, January 14, 1994

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Message 51        Fri Jan 14, 1994
G.LEONE [Gerry]              at 23:50 EST

I wanted to clear the name of DataManager ST...

Last weekend I reseated my chips and haven't had any problems with anything
since, and that includes DataManager ST.

So.... just goes to show you.

  -Gerry
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Message 52        Sat Jan 15, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 01:38 EST

Mike,

I found STDCAT one of the hardest-to-figure-out programs I ever tried. I even
spent two hours working with it, and felt the same way. By coincidence, before
the current interest, I spent a half-hour more, and felt the same way.

I know that tastes in programs are like tastes in breakfast cereal (and I love
All-Bran), but surely we're stretching it to rave about STDCAT's interface. I
find it totally unnerving to have such a difficult time with an application.

I *did* find a neat little TOS app that runs nicely in a TOS window under
Geneva, called FDI.TOS. I think I might start using it. It seems to have been
ported from Unix, and might be related to the Unix app you talked about. I'll
send it up if it's not in the libraries.

(FDI = Floppy Disk Indexer.)

Al

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Message 53        Sat Jan 15, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 10:34 EST

        What I would really like to see is a Disk Catalog program
 that would read the disk list the files and add the descriptions for
 me.  <grin>

         I use STDCAT and love it, but I admit it I have used it for
 some time and through several upgrades and I am still learning more
 about it.  For example it was just a week or two ago I learned I
 could add comments one after another to files, I had been picking one
 at a time to add a comment to before I figured out what the "multi"
 button was for.

 >> Joe M <<

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Message 54        Sat Jan 15, 1994
DMJ [dmj]                    at 11:29 EST

Al,

I must admit, STDCAT was intimidating at first.  I did not enjoy the manual at
all--it assumed too much experience with older versions, and didn't explain
the program too well.

The program's interface is also intimidating.  Lots of stuff on the screen,
and simply moving the mouse makes the windows top (useful once you get used to
it, but unnerving at first).  It isn't the program's interface that won me
over... it was the fact that I needed it quick, it had to be GEM, and it had
to have the search capabilities I needed.  STDCAT has all these.

Once you figure out the "model"--how the catalog is supposed to work--then
STDCAT becomes very easy to use.  Until you figure it out, it doesn't make any
sense.

     -dmj

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Message 55        Sat Jan 15, 1994
K.ESTES [Kenne@SFRT]         at 14:04 EST

 I'M LOOKING FOR A PROGRAM that

   will take at least two lists and output to a third list
 A) the list items that are common
    B) or the list items that are not common to both lists
      C) the complement of either of the above (although they both
         seem to be complements of each other But I really can't tell.)
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Message 56        Sat Jan 15, 1994
DAEDWARDS [Warrl]            at 14:40 EST

When comparing list A and list B, there are logically four resultant lists:

  A-only (things that are in A but not B)
  B-only (things that are in B but not A)
  Both   (things that are in both A and B)
  Neither (things that aren't in either list).

Usually, the last of these four lists is not produced.  :-)

You also need to consider: is it POSSIBLE for an item to occur more than once
in one list?  Not "is it valid" - just "is it possible". In an address list,
the same person listed twice isn't two people, and that's an invalid
condition; but it certainly can happen, as my junk-mail collection plainly
shows. :-)

If it is POSSIBLE, then how do you deal with it?  If item 14 occurs twice in
list A and once in list B, what should show up in each of the 4 output lists?
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Message 57        Sat Jan 15, 1994
J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold]  at 17:40 EST

Gerry...

That is good news!  You'd be surprised (well, maybe not anymore) how just a
little bit of chip reseating will fix some strange problems. Where I work,
part of our routine maintenance is to pull out circuit boards and push down
all of the chips about once a year.  It makes for very reliable equipment.
(And this is expensive stuff too - $100,000 and up category!)

                                                John T.
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Message 58        Sat Jan 15, 1994
R.CONSTAN [Magic Elf]        at 23:09 EST

Brian:

Wow... anothe user of PC designer. Thought I was the last one. First of all,
do you have the most recent version of PC designer? I still does'nt 'directly'
support any laser printers, but in addition to the standard EPSON 9 pin
support, It has a module to support the 24pin Epson LQ series, in both double
size AND 1 to 1 format. Tell you why I mention this. My friend has an Epson
Laser printer, and it will emulate HP laser, Epson-FX, and Epson-LQ printers.
Check and see if you have any of these emulations, as you may be able to make
your printouts with waht you have.

I wrot a desk accessory that intercepts the data as PC Designer tries to send
it out to the printer. I did this mostly because I needed to force a "forward"
printout, instead of the reversed one the program usually generates. I was
going add HP-Laser capability to it, but never got around to it. It is ashame
PC-Designer has gone unnsupported, and I really wish I had the source code.
I'd certainly like to pick up the ball and add many features. It's probably
the last true engineering software we'll see for the ST in some time.  :(
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Message 59        Sat Jan 15, 1994
K.ESTES [Kenne@SFRT]         at 23:14 EST

Interesting.  Does such a program exist?

Unless there's a program written for it in Superbase Pro _that_ program is
Overkill as well as clumsy.

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Message 60        Sun Jan 16, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 03:24 EST

Damien,

It doesn't have to be GEM, if it runs in a TOS window. :)

Al

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Message 61        Sun Jan 16, 1994
B.STOREY [Billy B.]          at 09:40 EST

Al, Mike, I found the STDCAT51 to be easier to use than the earlier versions.
It takes a little experimenting, but works wonders when you do get it figured
out. There are so many options, it is confusing. If you like, we can go to e-
mail and I will step you thru a set-up that will work.

Billy B.


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Message 62        Sun Jan 16, 1994
J.JOHNSON17 [BRIAN       ]   at 15:15 EST

I do have the LQ emulation modes on my printer. I have not purchased the
software, yet. Do you know how it compares to some of the inexpensive layout
software available on the PC? I like using my Atari but I also have a PC to
accommodate Mathcad, PSPICE, and other intereseting stuff not available on the
Atari platform. What I would like to do is print to transparency to make my
own PC Boards for my hobby projects. Have you tried using your printouts for
transfering your artwork using the toner transfer products available from Digi-
Key and others?

Thanks, Brian
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Message 63        Sun Jan 16, 1994
G.SETTER1 [Gar]              at 15:17 EST

Kenne@SFRT Would a diff program do what you want?  Diff is a UNIX  utility
that reports the differences between two text files. Once you see which lines
are different, it should be clear  which lines are the same. Search for diff
in the library. Gar *s
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Message 64        Sun Jan 16, 1994
J.HURLEY1 [Jim Hurley]       at 19:31 EST

I've used STDCAT version 4.3 and wrote a program which will extract files from
its database and format them into ASCII lines for external sorting, viewing,
etc.

After version 4.3, STDCAT changed radically, and the database format also
changed so my program would no longer work.

I didn't find the changes in STDCAT to be to my liking so I stayed with 4.3
and my program. If anyone wants a copy, let me know and I'll upload them both.

STDCAT 4.3 has only 2 windows, the catalog list of all floppies in one window,
and the highlighted floppy's dirctory in the other. It also has the nice
feature of automatically raising windows based on the mouse location, so you
don't need to click to change windows.

The newer version of STDCAT had more windows and more ways of classifying
beyond the simple, but it was a bit confusing to get used to.
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Message 65        Sun Jan 16, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 23:00 EST

Thanks for the offer, Billy. I'll politely decline, though. Once I was spent
so much time on an app and still don't like the interface, I have this "thing"
about going back to it. Apps should not be written that way, period.

Al

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Message 66        Mon Jan 17, 1994
D.FARRINGTO1 [David <><  .]  at 01:07 EST

I'm looking for a electronic writing tablet for the ST computer. What I mean
is I want to use a pen like instrument to draw pictures on my ST screen and be
able to save them as a picture file. Does anybody know of one that will work?

David <><


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Message 67        Mon Jan 17, 1994
C.KROWCHUK1 [CHRIS]          at 23:37 EST

David,

There is a product (software) that allows you to use most PC serial mice or
graphics tablets on your ST through your serial port enabling use of your
mouse as well as your serial device.

It is called Serial Mouse Manager and is produced by Cybercube. You can order
from us if you like or through Cybercube directly.

There is also a product on the market designed specifically for the Atari by
Lexicor,(software and tablet) again you can order through us if you like.

Chris Krowchuk @ Computer Direct.

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Message 68        Tue Jan 18, 1994
J.PENNINGTO6 [JIM]           at 04:09 EST

David,

 >I'm looking for a electronic writing tablet for the ST computer. What I mean
 >is I want to use a pen like instrument to draw pictures on my ST screen and
be
 >able to save them as a picture file. Does anybody know of one that will
work?

There are a couple of graphic pads out there which will do what you want. For
instance, I have a tablet called "Grafnet Model 01" by Mitsubishi, which was
packaged with an Atari driver and sold as the "Pro Tablet ST" by Quantum
Microsystems Inc. The tablet plugs into the serial port and the driver runs as
a desk accessory and makes the tablet look like a mouse to the software. This
allows it to work with virtually any drawing program such as Touchup, Degas,
etc. It comes with a ball point pen stylus as well as a plain stylus.

UNFORTUNATELY, the supplied QMI driver does not work with any TOS above 1.02!!
I understand, however, that a new driver is now available for both the QMI
(Mitsubishi) and EI/O (Summagraphics) tablets from Silkware that will work
with all current systems. You might contact Mark Slagell (Genie address
M.SLAGELL) and see if he has or can find one for you. If you have trouble
locating a tablet, check back with me, as my son might be willing to part with
this one (it was only used a few times before we upgraded to TOS 1.04, then an
STe, then TT, etc.). I have been meaning to get an upgraded driver, but you
know how that goes (them round tuits gits harder to come by ever' day!).

Let me know if I can help further,

Jim Pennington X-act Computer Service Inc Sunnyvale, Ca

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Message 69        Wed Jan 19, 1994
D.FARRINGTO1 [David <><  .]  at 04:12 EST

Chris and Jim:

Thanks very much for your knowledge, view points and pointing me in the right
direction on the tablets.  I have downloaded information about LEXICOR's,
Cybercube's, and Mark Slagell's (I sharewared Mark's SilkMouse, I don't use
anything else) tablet/software products.  I have read them all.  I think I
know where I'm going.  But I do thank you for posting.  I'm going to start by
asking in "wanted" ads first to see if anybody wants to sell their tablet.

Jim, if you are interested in selling your tablet let me know in E-mail.

Chris, if you've got a complete package let me know in E-mail how much.

David <><

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Message 70        Fri Jan 21, 1994
Y.DUFRESNE [Papageno]        at 18:27 EST

I just got an optical mouse that has 3 buttons. Is it possible to use the 3rd
one as a double left click?

Thanks,
        Yanick @ CGA

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Message 71        Fri Jan 21, 1994
T.MYERS2 [SlowTalker]        at 20:10 EST

Some ST Airwarrior support.  What's the deal, why isn't there a front end for
the Atari?
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Message 72        Fri Jan 21, 1994
B.WILLIS3 [Bill]             at 21:18 EST

SlowTalker,
  Air Warrior discontinued Atari support last year. Reasons cited included the
meager number of players using ST's and the time it would have taken to
upgrade the ST front end program.
  You might be able to find the last ST version somewhere, although you'll
only be able to use it off-line. Such is life...
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Message 73        Sat Jan 22, 1994
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 00:13 EST


 >Air Warrior discontinued Atari support last year. Reasons cited
 >included the meager number of players using ST's and the time it would
 >have taken to upgrade the ST front end program.

There was also the reason that the ST was not as fast as the other player's
machines...

                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
                ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Friday, January 21, 1994 - 10:17:04 pm
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Message 74        Sat Jan 22, 1994
R.CONSTAN [Magic Elf]        at 02:28 EST

Brian...

Too bad you don't have the LQ emulation. It really is a shame that an Hp
driver was never done. I may write one eventually if I get some time. The
principal is easy, since the .BRD file is really a kind of character map. In
fact, all one would have to do is create a monospaced character set for the HP
laser (or emulation therof) that correctly and proportionally reproduces all
the necessary characters. Then, with very little processing, .BRD files could
be sent almost as easily as printing text.

Anyhow, PC designer works graet for making 'iron on' transparency transfers.
It already makes the printout backwards, so that it will come out right after
the transfer. You asked for a comparison to PC based tools. No, PC designer
cannot be compared to OR-CAD, Tango-PRO, or a host of other 'real' board
layout tools. But I've also seen a few Shareware programs in the big blue'
platform that outright stink compared to PC Board Designer! In some cases,
better than programs whos shareware fee is over $100! You can go a long way
with PC designer, even without a laser printer output, just by getting access
to a decent, scalable photo copy machine! At some point though, if you really
want sharp repeatable PC images, you'll have to abandon the iron on method,
have negatives made, and learn to to it by the photographic method. I also
have a patch program I wrote for PC Designer that forces the printer output to
be forward (instead of reversed). E-mail me if you want this. .......Randy
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Message 75        Sat Jan 22, 1994
R.CONSTAN [Magic Elf]        at 02:36 EST

I have both a 486 PC and my Trusty 68000 ST sitting on my desk at work,
sharing a multisync monitor. Guess which one gets the most use. <ggg>. Yeah,
the ST of course. Thing is, I've been getting more into internet lately, and
almost all the systems I log into will provide an infinately better display IF
you have VT-100 emulation. I only have the original FLASH, which seems to be
exclusively VT-52. I really don't want to spend a bunch of bucks on another
TERM program. If I have to, I'm ready to listen to recomendations. ... But of
course, a well recommended shareware or PD program would also be nice <g>.

.......Randy
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Message 76        Sat Jan 22, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 03:02 EST

Yanick,

Maybe. But the right button can be used to double-click the left button with
the freeware DC utiliity DC_RT_DC.PRG, which I would never consider booting
without. A quick right press gives a left double-click; a longer right press
gives a right single click.

I'll send it to you if you can't find it, but I know it's in the library here.

Al

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Message 77        Sat Jan 22, 1994
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr]       at 04:13 EST

J.WISNIEWSK2 - Yeah, it was THAT comment that ticked ME off.  If there's not
enough users to continue supporting it, fine, but they don't have to make up
stuff about the machine not being good enough.  Then again, the machine
WOULDN'T be good enough for horribly inefficient code! <grin>
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Message 78        Sat Jan 22, 1994
DAEDWARDS [Warrl]            at 05:46 EST

R.Constan:

Uniterm has perfect VT-100 emulation.  There was a time when there was NOT a
perfect VT-100 emulator for the PClone world... but we had Uniterm.  In fact,
Uniterm has had perfect VT-220 emulation for several years.

I think Storm also has a VT-100 emulator, but not certain (I no longer have
the need for one); it is a better program in many ways.

Both are right here in the library.

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Message 79        Sat Jan 22, 1994
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 06:52 EST

Randy,

I use STalker (Gribnif, about $35) for the service that forces me to use VT-
100, and it works fine.  In fact I use STalker for everything except GEnie.
But a lot of people like Storm (shareware by Alan Page, who wrote the original
Flash).  There's a demo of it in the library, and I think one of Flash II
(Missionware) as well.  And each has its own GEnie topic.

  gnox

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Message 80        Sat Jan 22, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 10:27 EST

Randy,

Flash II, Storm, STalker.

Al

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Message 81        Sat Jan 22, 1994
TQUINN [Terry~Sysop]         at 11:10 EST

Randy - Have you checked out Uniterm lately?  I know its an oldie but for
VT100 emulation, it is far and away the best that I have found commercial,
shareware or PD.  The fact that it's PD is just frosting on the cake.  Look
for it in the library (do a search under Uniterm or VT100).

Terry Quinn

ST RT Sysop and BBS Janitor

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Message 82        Sat Jan 22, 1994
DARLAH [RT~SYSOP]            at 14:34 EST

I was told that it was strictly due to the lack of people using the ST that
used Air Warrior. I know the Air Warrior folks. Believe me, they would tell me
something different if something different existed.
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Message 83        Sat Jan 22, 1994
AEO.5 [Ed Krimen]            at 16:25 EST

Randy,

STalker.  I use it on the Internet all the time.

-- Ed
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Message 84        Sat Jan 22, 1994
Y.DUFRESNE [Papageno]        at 20:56 EST

Thanks Al, I'll look for it.

Yanick @ CGA

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Message 85        Sat Jan 22, 1994
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 22:24 EST

  Steve,

 >Yeah, it was THAT comment that ticked ME off.  If there's not enough
 >users to continue supporting it, fine, but they don't have to make up
 >stuff about the machine not being good enough.

The machine is good enough to handle most (or all) of your computing needs.

 >Then again, the machine WOULDN'T be good enough for horribly
 >inefficient code! <grin>

The only inefficiency in computers is the programmers.  :-}

                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
                ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Saturday, January 22, 1994 - 8:54:04 pm
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Message 86        Sun Jan 23, 1994
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 09:48 EST

STDCAT v5.3 is the latest, and last, version. The author told me that the
program has been sold to a German company who will be making some changes and
introducing it as a commercial product in '94.  Bob arranged a special price
for his registered shareware users.

Once the commercial version is out, Bob will be making the source code to v5.3
available to anyone who wants it.


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Message 87        Sun Jan 23, 1994
A.PETRIE1 [Suzie/AL]         at 19:10 EST

Randy: I use Michtrons 220 ST program to log onto a couple vax mail systems, I
primarily use it in 220 mode but it has a good vt100 mode as well, one of the
side bennifits of using it in the VT220 mode is that the keyboards are laid
out almost the same, so if you know the position on a VT220 that the key you
need for a command is located the ST key in the same location is used the same
way. Unfortunatly 220ST is long out of production(bought mine for $2.00 at the
W.A.A.C.E show acouple years ago from the people that bought their software
line) but if you can find it it should make life easier.

Uniterm also works well, but dosn't always recognize the onscreen formatting
commands. So instead of giving a large italic font on screen you get what
appears to be gibberish charactors followed by normal text.

AL P


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Message 88        Wed Jan 26, 1994
C.UNDERWOOD1 [Carson]        at 09:32 EST

I'm looking for a telephone dialer. Also it would be nice if you could use the
numbers keypad on the computer keyboard to dial in real time. Or maybe a list
of telephone #'s that you could point & click at. What I am trying to do
specifically is dial up my credit card, bank, etc. accounts to get balances
etc. So when I am asked for my account # etc I can use my computer to respond.
I would do all of this using a speaker phone so I would'nt have to touch my
phone.

I do own CardFile but, was unable to figure out a way to do this using it.

                         Thanks,

                              Carson

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Message 89        Wed Jan 26, 1994
K.ESTES [Kenne@SFRT]         at 15:01 EST

You can do it with Stalker, Flash, and Storm.
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Message 90        Wed Jan 26, 1994
F.HENSE [FRANK]              at 23:25 EST

Al,

Interlink includes a VT-100 EMU and appropriate docs. Including a VT-100
keyboard overlay. You justneed to preload it into the Emulation section before
you conect.

Frank

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Message 91        Thu Jan 27, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:28 EST

Message        Wed Jan 26, 1994 C.UNDERWOOD1 [Carson]


Carson,

        You should try setting you account number on the work phone line with
the original number on the home phone line.  Remember to put the (123) first
using your local area code to defeat CardFile's auto ld function (It adds a
leading 1 to all numbers not local.).

>> Joe M <<
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Message 92        Fri Jan 28, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 03:27 EST

Carson,

CF will do that. Dial through CF, take the phone off the hook, and you're all
set.

What problems are you having with CF?

Al

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Message 93        Fri Jan 28, 1994
C.UNDERWOOD1 [Carson]        at 08:37 EST

Ken, Joe, & Al,

Thanks for the responses. I'll play with CardFile some more. If I have any
more ?'s. I'll move over to that topic.

                         Carson

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Message 94        Fri Jan 28, 1994
R.SCHILLING [Rob]            at 10:30 EST

Hi All,

I've heard of a program that will allow desktop.inf files to be run as a
program.  Does this mean they could be placed on the desktop as icons and
double clicked to change resolutions?

Thanks--Rob
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Message 95        Fri Jan 28, 1994
G.LEONE [Gerry]              at 19:11 EST

DANG YOU, Joe M. and Al F!

Because of the terminal guilt you laid on me for not having CardFile4, I added
it to my Geneva/NeoDesk order today!!  It's all your fault!

;-)

  -Gerry
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Message 96        Sat Jan 29, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 00:38 EST

Rob,

Yes, you install DeskSwitch, for example, as an app with the data file "inf,"
and when you double-click on a desktop file, DeskSwitch loads the new inf file
and you have a new desktop.

Gerry,

But do you have Memfile? (Don't fret; it's free, and in the library here.)

:)

Al

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Message 97        Sat Jan 29, 1994
G.LEONE [Gerry]              at 01:47 EST

Yep, thankfully I've GOT Memfile!

  -Gerry
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Message 98        Sat Jan 29, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 10:21 EST

Message        Fri Jan 28, 1994 G.LEONE [Gerry]

 >  It's all your fault!

  -Gerry,

        It's a guilt trip you will be happy you took.

>> Joe M <<
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Message 99        Sun Jan 30, 1994
R.SCHILLING [Rob]            at 17:16 EST

Al,

I d/l'd Deskswitch but I can't seem to get it to switch resolutions, ie one
setup for TT medium and another for ST high.  Right now, it just seems to
change icons but not rez.  Am I doing something wrong, or won't Deskswitch do
what I need?

Thanks--Rob

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Message 100       Mon Jan 31, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 03:24 EST

Rob,

DeskSwitch doesn't switch resolutions. It loads INF files. Res-switching is
done from the desktop the normal way.

Al

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Message 101       Mon Jan 31, 1994
DANNY.M [Yuperman]           at 22:39 EST

 >course, a well recommended shareware or PD program would also be nice <g>.
 > Magic Elf, if you're not intrested in multitasking then I'd recommend
ANSITerm 1.90 from Twin Worlds Software.

If multitasking if a factor then I'd recommend STorm.

Both are shareware and available in the telecomm file library.
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Message 102       Wed Feb 02, 1994
D.GEPPERT [MR.DON]           at 18:03 EST

  I thought there was a Commercial product for the ST that allowed the use of
an IBM mouse. Some sort of interface cable or something etc. Any help on
this....?
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Message 103       Wed Feb 02, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 20:38 EST

Mr. D.,

GEnie address CYBERCUBE is the place where you can get more info in the serial
mouse system it has. A demo (working one!) is here on GEnie; look under
"serial" or "mouse" as a keyword.

Al

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Message 104       Thu Feb 03, 1994
R.SCHILLING [Rob]            at 00:28 EST

Al,

So I take it there is no way that I can double click on a desktop icon and
change rez's and desktops at the same time?  It would be nice, though.

Rob
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Message 105       Thu Feb 03, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 08:39 EST

Rob,

Sure, if you clicked on a program or utility that changed the name of the INF
file and then rebooted. But what you should really look into is a boot
manager. That takes care of both situations.

Al

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Message 106       Thu Feb 03, 1994
D.GEPPERT [MR.DON]           at 12:35 EST

  Al,

Thanks, actually I did some digging and found Cybercube Research in the
IAAD.Dat file that Dorothy uploaded for us Cardfile users. Strange as it may
sound, they are virtually right down the road in the next town from where I
live, (go figure the chances of that !!). Anyway I called them, they do in
fact have such a product, and are sending me a catalogue of their other ST
stuff as well.

Thanks again.....Mr. Don
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Message 107       Fri Feb 04, 1994
C.UNDERWOOD1 [Carson]        at 10:10 EST

I'm looking for an application that will do search & replace via a command
line or as an installed application with user set parameters. I want to be
able to click on a file & have this application automatically do search &
replace (with the parameters passed to it via a command line or setup? file),
then save the changed file. I know just about any word processer/editor will
search & replace. I just want something that can be automatic for files I
always change the same way.

                               Carson

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Message 108       Fri Feb 04, 1994
K.ESTES [Kenne@SFRT]         at 14:29 EST

MicroEmacs?

TEmpest _might_ do that. I don't know.
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Message 109       Fri Feb 04, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 22:32 EST

Carson,

You're in luck. TEXTREPL by Mike Dorman, a GEnie regular, will do this. So
will SRCHRP9B, by Craig Harvey. I'm sending the second to you in e-mail; the
first is in the libs here (and in fact they both probably are).

Al

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Message 110       Sat Feb 05, 1994
C.UNDERWOOD1 [Carson]        at 11:40 EST

Al,

I did a keyword search in the libraries for TEXTRPL & SRCHRP9B, no luck.


Kenne,

I did some searching in the libraries under EMACS & MicroEmacs. Those are some
huge files! Before I make that download commitment (GEnie is long distance for
me), how about some info on exactly what it is and/or does.
                            Thanks,

                               Carson

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Message 111       Sat Feb 05, 1994
K.ESTES [Kenne@SFRT]         at 14:15 EST

Hmmmmm.... you are, of course, correct.

What editors _do_ you have?

And do you have Codekeys from CODEHEAD TECHNOLOGIES?

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 115       Sun Feb 06, 1994
R.CONSTAN [Magic Elf]        at 16:47 EST

Thanks to everyone who gave me advice on PD/SW term programs that support VT-
100 emulation. So far, I have only d/l'd and tried UNITERM. STorm will
probably be next. UNITERM actually seems to work fairly well, but has one
really annoying bug. That is, once you try to dial up and fail, there's no way
to stop the program from doing anything else but retry the number, and all
keystrokes do nothing but force a retry. No mouse response either, so you
either log on, or you'll have to re-boot! If anyone knows a way around this
bug let me know. Otherwise, I'll have to try another term programe, which
might just be exchanging one bug for another. Thanks!
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Message 116       Mon Feb 07, 1994
DAEDWARDS [Warrl]            at 02:27 EST

R.Constan:

RE Uniterm retries:  use the return key, hold it down a while.  It's rather
kludgy but it works.  You can also go into the dialer setup and change the
number of retries...
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Message 117       Mon Feb 07, 1994
TQUINN [Terry~Sysop]         at 10:16 EST

R.CONSTAN - I would suggest under dialer settings that you change the redial
options to 0 retries.  If you do so, Uniterm will not exhibit the irritating
behavior you noticed.

Terry Quinn

ST RT Sysop and BBS Janitor

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Message 121       Wed Feb 09, 1994
R.SCHILLING [Rob]            at 21:36 EST

Al,

I do use desk manager and it does come in handy, but since I use a lot of mono
only MIDI programs and need to switch back and forth to TT MED, several times
in a session, it would be nice to just click on an icon to get the switch
effected.

Thanks, as always for your suggestions.

Rob
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Message 122       Tue Feb 15, 1994
F.ZIMMERMAN3 [Frank Z.]      at 07:29 EST

Rob,
  I don't know of any way to switch from TT medium to ST high with just one
click on an icon, but did you know that you can just hold down the alternate
key and type from 1-5 to change resolutions on the TT?  So Alternate 1 is ST
Low, Alternate 2 is ST Medium, etc.  I wasn't aware of this until a friend
showed me just the other day.

Frank.
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Message 123       Thu Feb 17, 1994
J.HICKEY6                    at 10:49 EST

Instead of using one of the "whiz-bang" screen savers, newer, "green" monitors
go to an energy saver mode after a period of keyboard inactivity.  A simple
program to turn off the horizontal and verticle sync pulses would activate the
sleep mode.  I am working up a simple, aftermarket mod for 19" TT high res
monitors.  I think a shareware approach to the necessary software would be
practical. Anyone?

Jack
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Message 124       Fri Feb 18, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:04 EST

Jack,

        Not only does turning off the sync pulses work as a screen saver and
energy saver, it also reduces the EMF output greatly and that is a concern to
many VDT users.

>> Joe M <<
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Message 125       Fri Feb 18, 1994
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 05:17 EST

Jack,

I would most definitely be interested in that kind of modification to my
TTM195.  I'm a bit confused by this though:

 > I am working up a simple, aftermarket mod for 19" TT high res
 > monitors.  I think a shareware approach to the necessary software
 > would be practical.

If I understand this right, the mod would require both hardware and software;
why split off the software as shareware then?  Or do you have in mind
something that would also work with the newer "green" monitors as well as the
modified TTMs?

  gnox

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Message 126       Fri Feb 18, 1994
J.HICKEY6                    at 10:21 EST

gnox, that was my thought. CyberCube(see below) is already working on software
to do this with their video cards.

>>Update: CyReL M16-1280 and VESA DPMS

 What's DPMS? Display Power Management Standard!
 We are working on a new version of the CyReL Serial Mouse Manager
 and Screen Saver to accomodate the new VESA power saving techniques
 that cause the monitor to go from 'normal' to 'stand-by' to
 'suspend', thus reducing the power consumtion and extending the
 'life' of the monitor. Anyone interested in getting a copy of
 this revised version should send e-mail to CYBERCUBE for more
 information.

>>Category 16,  Topic 12 >>Message 108       Thu Feb 03, 1994 >>CYBERCUBE
[Ralf]             at 20:47 EST

 Jack,

 the VESA DPMS uses a real neat 'trick' to tell the monitor about
 inactivity or pauses. It first starts to shut down one of the
 sync signals and if there is still no further activity, stops the
 other sync signal as well, thus telling the monitor to go into
 the 'suspended' mode... in which some monitors consume as little
 as 5 Watts (compared to several hundred when fully active)
 But beware, it takes a couple of seconds to re-activate the
 monitor again, so everything has its price.

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Message 127       Fri Feb 18, 1994
D.GEPPERT [MR.DON]           at 15:57 EST

  I was wondering if any of you out there would care to comment on the
Cybercube Product line. Of particular interest are the CYREL SUNRISE M16-1280
True Color Graphics Card, CYREL VIDIMIX8/16 Desktop Video, and the CYREL
Serial Mouse Driver. I'm thinking of looking into these products, (I have the
catalogue and information from Cybercube), and I'm just looking for some
preliminary feedback from those of you who are actively using the software
and/or hardware at the moment.

Thanks......
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Message 128       Fri Feb 18, 1994
BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp]           at 18:43 EST

MR.DON

 >I was wondering if any of you out there would care to comment on the
 >Cybercube Product line. Of particular interest are the CYREL SUNRISE
 >M16-1280
 >


A good topic to check is category 16 topic 12, the Cyrel topic.

~~Brian..Written on Friday 18 February 1994 at 07:28 p.m. ADT

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Message 129       Fri Feb 18, 1994
R.SCHILLING [Rob]            at 21:43 EST

Frank,

Thanks for the tip on Rez changes.  I never knew about that.

Rob
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Message 130       Sat Feb 19, 1994
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 06:41 EST

Jack,

Ah, I see.  I'm looking forward to your announcement!  I'll stash away some $$
under the monitor here ... :)

  gnox

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Message 131       Sat Feb 19, 1994
E.EDELENBOS [-Ed-]           at 20:36 EST

Without the expected "Dump it and get Works with Speedo" comments, does anyone
know if ther are fonts for FSMGdos available (other than those that came with
Wordflair)?  Thanks.   Ed.
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Message 132       Sat Feb 19, 1994
M.HILL13 [Mike]              at 23:43 EST

Everyone,

Im getting a deal on a used TT (pretty soon I will be computing with a 4 Meg
ST Ram, 20 Meg TT Ram, 200 Meg Hard Drive system!).

Problem is this.  I have a Mega IV STE with Crazy Dots II card (gonna
transplant that CD card too!) and all my files are setup on the Mega STE's
internal hard drive.  I want to move all my files over to the TT system and
its internal drive.

Whats the easiest way to move the file across?  I don't want to go the floppy
exchange route.  Id like to hook up the systems by their serial ports (Lan
port?) and transfer stuff from one to the other.

Is there any software to handle this?  It would be great if a program existed
that could transfer an entrie drive from one machine to another and recreate
all files and paths on the other machine.

Any thoughts,ideas,tips,horror stories.

I don't have access to an external hard drive/syquest etc to go that route.

Mike

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Message 133       Sun Feb 20, 1994
MIKE-ALLEN [NM~SysOp]        at 04:22 EST

Mike,

When I exchanged my 50meg Seacrate for a 120meg Maxtor in my MSTe, I removed
the 50meg, set up the 120 and then hooked up the 50 as (ID'd as drive 1)
throught the ACSI port and a ICD HA.  (of course I had a leftover case, power
supply and host adaptor from a dead Seacrate 277N, which helped!)  I then just
copied all the files from one drive to the other.

Originally I had tried to hook both drives up to the internal Atari HA using a
daisy chain cable.  I couldn't get it to work.  I understand that my problem
was that there is a switch on the Atari HA that has to be thrown to use more
than 1 drive on it.  There are 3 dip switches on the HA and I don't know which
one it is.

On the other hand if you don't feel like performing minor (temporary) surgery
on your MSTe and/or TT and you have STalker you could transfer files by way of
the serial2 ports and a null modem cable.  Serial2 on the TT/MSTe will go up
to 230kbaud.  Probably the easiest solution.

        Mike Allen
        ST HelpDesk~Sysop

        Written: 2:02 AM Mountain Time
                 Sunday, February 20, 1994

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Message 134       Sun Feb 20, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 10:14 EST

Mike,

        The LAN ports should work, but I have never used them.  The other easy
solution is to find a null-modem cable and use a com program.

>> Joe M <<
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Message 135       Sun Feb 20, 1994
JIM.K [Jim~ST Sysop]         at 11:20 EST

Mike,

You could also get a couple of MIDI cables, then use LittleNet (I think that's
what it is called). Check with Al Fasoldt on the specifics.

 Jim Kudron
 <ST Sysop>
 20Feb94
 10:48:52

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Message 136       Sun Feb 20, 1994
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson]    at 22:10 EST

   Dip #3 on the Atari HA will allow you to use more than one drive on
 the HA. That's how I transfered all my stuff over. I had a Y power
 cable and a cable with more than one connector on it. The MSTE
 handled both HDs with no problem.

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Message 137       Mon Feb 21, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 07:34 EST

Jim's right. LittleNet will let you do the transfers just by dragging folders
fron one partition to another.

Al

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Message 138       Mon Feb 21, 1994
J.HICKEY6                    at 10:55 EST

Does LittleNet work on the TT?  I've tried it on my MegaST4 and a 1040ST, but
not on my TT.
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Message 139       Mon Feb 21, 1994
R.WHITTAM [Ron - ABUG]       at 22:28 EST

  I am looking for a quality PD/Shareware or Commercial computerized card game
called SOLITARE.   Got any ideas???  Prefer a program that can switch between
Atlanta and Vegas rules. . .

 Ron - ABUG
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 140       Tue Feb 22, 1994
DAEDWARDS [Warrl]            at 00:36 EST

Ron:

Have you looked at PATIENCE in the library?
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Message 141       Tue Feb 22, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:56 EST

        Hoyle's Book of Games by Sierra has several versions of Solitare.  my
girlfriend plays them so I don't know them well.  Have you searched the
RoundTable library yet?

>> Joe M <<
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Message 142       Tue Feb 22, 1994
B.STOREY [Billy B.]          at 08:02 EST

Mike, Flash II can send data between Atari computers via MIDI cables. There is
a special button in the RS-232 setup menu for it. The data will transfer at
about 1600 bps, which is pretty good, but not as good as Paul wants to make
it.

LittleNet will do the same, and it is about as fast as loading to/from a
floppy. The big advantage to LittleNet is it is an acc., and can run from the
desktop. I don't have a 2-computer desk any more, so I don't xfer data via
MIDI, but I have used both methods successfully. I think LittleNet is better
for most purposes because it sets up another drive on your desktop and you
transfer just as you would transfer from a hard drive to a floppy. Some people
never could get it to work, but I had no trouble at all. I think their problem
was a failure to read all the docs, and Al Fasoldt wrote a "secrets" doc which
helps tremendously.

5:30:00 am - Monday, February 21, 1994

Billy B.




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Message 143       Tue Feb 22, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 08:45 EST

Jack,

LittleNet works very nicely on the TT. Read "Secrets of LittleNet" (in the
LitleNet archive file here); I think I mentioned there that my TT and ST are
connected via LN.

Al


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Message 144       Tue Feb 22, 1994
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 21:04 EST


 >Have you looked at PATIENCE in the library?

This game is Monochrome only...

                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
                ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Tuesday, February 22, 1994 - 8:50:32 pm
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 145       Tue Feb 22, 1994
Y.DUFRESNE [Papageno]        at 21:51 EST

LittleNet does work on the TT.  The only problem with it (not TT related) is
the speed.  If you want to transfer a 50 meg HD, it'll take at least two
hours.  I would believe STalker to be much more efficient.  The fastest way
would be to use YModem-G and do a batch file transfer for each partition.
This is explained very clearly in the STalker manual.  You will obviously need
a null modem cable.  If you don't know how to make one, Email me and I'll
explain in detail.

Oups!  You'll need STalker.  If you don't have it, get it... You will see it
advertised quite often in the "Sales" topics.

Yanick @ CGA

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 146       Tue Feb 22, 1994
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 22:40 EST

Anyone know where to buy 12 to 15 foot MIDI cables for networking two
computers?
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 147       Tue Feb 22, 1994
M.HILL13 [Mike]              at 22:41 EST

Billy (And all who replied),

Im not sure how I want to attack this file moving.  LittleNet would be great
EXCEPT that it only works on small partitions (no BGM), and it is realtively
slow when compared to the high speed serial ports on the Mega STE/TT.  Miknet
supposedly works with BGM partitions and I might try that one.

Right now Im wondering what this "full pathname" option most zmodem
implementations have does.  If it sends the entire pathname to the receiver
and the receiver then stores it based on that path, I might be able right a
simple program (Storm Basic file?) that runs through a directory listing
starting at the root and does a Zmodem upload of all the files in that
directory and moves on to the next. The other computer could just sit in
terminal mode and would download every file the host sends, and if this "full
pathname" option works like I hope the system would then store the file in the
exact same path.  Im probably dreaming though!

Mike

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Message 148       Tue Feb 22, 1994
B.WILLIS3 [Bill]             at 23:40 EST

Lou,
  Just about any music store nowadays will stock MIDI cables.
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Message 149       Wed Feb 23, 1994
D.FARRINGTO1 [David <><  .]  at 00:36 EST

Mike:

I don't like saying this but I'm the person who uploaded miknet.  It does not
work.  I ask a very reliable person to test it and the report was thumbs down.
The program bombed for him and did not work at all.  If I new how I would
remove the program so folks would not waste their time.  My suggestion is go
with something that is know to work.  I am trying to contact the author but he
is in Italy.  So for now I would not use Miknet13.

David Farrington <><
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Message 150       Wed Feb 23, 1994
F-D-PERCIVAL [Fred P.]       at 06:51 EST

David,

One of the items in the standard Library menu is the option to remove any file
you have uploaded...
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Message 151       Wed Feb 23, 1994
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 07:12 EST

Music store? Why didn't I think of that? Thanks, Bill.
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Message 152       Wed Feb 23, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 07:24 EST

Thanks for the description of what LittleNet can do, Billy! As a bonus, it
should be noted that LittleNet also does this in the background, as far as the
remote computer is concerned. I am able to transfer files or even run programs
from my wife's ST while she is playing Oxyd or Drachen, for example.

Al

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Message 153       Wed Feb 23, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 08:31 EST

Yanick,

If STalker is using the MIDI port, it's slower than LittleNet. If it's doing a
null-modem transfer using a high-speed serial port, it's indeed faster than
LittleNet.

Mike,

The full pathname sends the entire pathname (C:\pathone\pathtwo\myfile.prg) to
the other system, and the directory structure is created on the other end
unless the receiving system is set up to decline the path structure. I use
this in daily Zmodem high-speed transfers, except that I use relative
pathnames, so that the path on the other end is pathone\pathtwo....

So if the download is going into D:\DOWNLOAD, the result is:

D:\DOWNLOAD\PATHONE\PATHTWO\MYFILE.PRG.

Fred,

But you can't remove the file via Aladdin, and I for one refuse to spend my
time on GEnie without the aid of Aladdin. :)

Al

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Message 154       Wed Feb 23, 1994
R.COOPER2 [Rob]              at 21:18 EST

Lou:

 >Anyone know where to buy 12 to 15 foot MIDI cables for networking two
 >computers?

        If you're near the DMC offices (and I assume you are, since you work
there.. <G>), you could pop into the Long & McQuade store at Pharmacy &
Sheppard (2 minutes east of the DVP).  Tell 'em I sent you.  ;^)

Rob


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Message 155       Wed Feb 23, 1994
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 21:33 EST

Thanks for the tip, Rob. I actually called Long & McQuade this morning (they
used to be Kalua Music) and ordered a pair of 10 and a pair of 20 ft. MIDI
cables for less than 20.00 CDN all together. BTW, I don't work for DMC... it
just seems like it :-)
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Message 156       Wed Feb 23, 1994
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson]    at 23:40 EST

   Zmodem Batch is just as fast as Ymodem-G (from my experience) and
 offers more safety and time savings (aborted downloads).
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Message 157       Wed Feb 23, 1994
M.HILL13 [Mike]              at 23:55 EST

David,

Well your friend must have had something wrong.  miknet13 worked great for me.
Of course I got my copy off the internet but Im sure the copy here is fine
too.

Its a little confusing to setup but I was able to copy files from my Mega STE
to my TT using it.  Handled the BGM partitions no problem. Nice thing about it
is that it allows you to network more than one partition at a time.  Littlenet
forces you to select the drive you want to network with the accessory.  miknet
lets you remote every drive you want.

I transfered over 50megs already with miknet and it went flawlessly. In fact
Im posting this message on my TT030 now!

Another neat feature about miknet is that you can remap floppy or hard drives
on the same system.  You can make the system think that your C drive is really
the D drive, or your C drive could be a floppy, etc.

Mike

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Message 158       Thu Feb 24, 1994
STEVE-J                      at 05:09 EST

Ymodem-G is ALWAYS faster for me (though usually only by 2-5% over Zmodem).
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Message 159       Thu Feb 24, 1994
B.STOREY [Billy B.]          at 08:04 EST

Mike, yes, Littlenet is relatively slow, but if you copy an entire windowfull
(if you have a TOS earlier than 2.0x) or an entire partition, you can do it
just before going to bed, or out to dinner, and let it take as long as it
needs. (By the way, if you have an earlier TOS, you can put everything into
one folder then copy the folder.)

I don't know Stalker, but if it needs to transfer files, rather than
partitions, it could be much slower, and you have to stay there to click on
things.

5:30:32 am - Wednesday, February 23, 1994

Billy B.



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Message 160       Thu Feb 24, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 08:32 EST

Mike,

Can you post a brief step-by-step explanation of how to use mikenet13? All I
got was bomb city. (And I'm the unnamed person quoted here, BTW. <g>)

Al

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Message 161       Thu Feb 24, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 18:32 EST

Right, Billy. The advantage of LittleNet over Zmodem via STalker is that
LittleNet requires no more technique than knowing how to drag a folder to an
icon.

Al

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 162       Thu Feb 24, 1994
Y.DUFRESNE [Papageno]        at 18:57 EST

Mike, Mike and Al:

I was referring to null modeming with STalker.  You can do the whole transfer
in one operation;  STalker lets you sepecify wildcards to do batch uploads so
*.* would transfer everithing on a partition and to the right directories.

I to d/led Mikenet and never got it to run.  It crashes everytime. Maybe you
could upload your copy, Mike (M.HILL13)?

Yanick @ CGA


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Message 163       Thu Feb 24, 1994
M.HILL13 [Mike]              at 22:56 EST

Yanick & Al,

Well to make miknet run all you need to do is run the mknt.prg program first.
I just run it from the desktop.  Run it on both systems.  If all you want to
do is access partitons on Computer A with Computer B you can just leave
Computer A alone after loading the mknt.prg program.

Then run mknt.app on the system you want the remote drives on (Computer B).
You will get a dialog that has two rows of drive letters (amoung other things,
but those letters are all thats important).  If Computer B has floppies only
the first two letters should be normal (A and B) the rest should be grayed
(first row). Click on the C Letter once and it will be normal text, click on
it again and it will be reversed.  A reversed drive letter means that this
drive will be accessed remotely over the midi ports from another computer.
Then edit the letter below the drive letter you reversed and enter the Drive
letter on Computer A you want to access.  Then click on OK and you can install
that new drive to your desktop and access it like any other partition.

The reverse thing was what got me at first.  Another problem is that AHDI
users with BGM partitions need to make sure the partition is set to "MUNGED"
if it is BGM. Also the sector size needs to be 1024 bytes.

It worked flawlessly for me.  I just finished the transfer of about 100 megs
of files from the Mega STE to the TT today.

Ill upload it for you guys also.

Mike


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Message 164       Fri Feb 25, 1994
R.COOPER2 [Rob]              at 03:06 EST

Lou:

 >Thanks for the tip, Rob. I actually called Long & McQuade this
 >morning (they used to be Kalua Music) and ordered a pair of 10 and a
 >pair of 20 ft. MIDI cables for less than 20.00 CDN all together. BTW,
 >I don't work for DMC... it just seems like it :-)

        No problem... I get all my stuff through that L&M.  Even though it's a
small store, they can order in whatever I need from downtown... not to mention
the manager's a good friend of mine! :^) (It's not WHAT you know, but WHO; as
the old saying goes).

        Hmmm... I thought you did work for DMC... my mistake.  It DOES seem
like it, though!  Maybe you should get consulting fees or something??  <GGG>

Rob

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Message 165       Fri Feb 25, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 08:17 EST

Mike,

Thanks. My sector sizes are all huge, so I guess I am out of luck.

Al

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Message 166       Sat Feb 26, 1994
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr]       at 04:26 EST

A.FASOLDT - Oh yeah!  I'll bet MY sector size is bigger than YOURS! <grin>
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Message 167       Sat Feb 26, 1994
C.UNDERWOOD1 [Carson]        at 11:17 EST

OK guys, it's not how big your sector size is , it's how you use it. Just ask
any guy with a small sector, he'll tell you. :)

                             Carson

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Message 168       Sat Feb 26, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 16:58 EST

DrH,

Show me! :)

Al

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 169       Sun Mar 06, 1994
M.EASTER [Mike]              at 15:57 EST

I'm looking for a utility; auto folder prg, acc, cpx to help me solve an
"ergometric" problem common to many programs.

I'm a touch typist, and dislike anything that forces me to abandon keyboard
position in any kind of unnatural way; though I've adjusted to reaching for
the mouse and returning without a struggle.

My problem is with the use of control and alternate key combinations. in which
the combination is ergometrically unsatisfactory; such as alternate plus any
key which is normally accessed with the left hand.

I would like to be able to use an "alternate" alternate key, such as the caps
lock key for these combinations.

We have another set of problems for combinations of control plus left hand
keys.

Here's my idea.

The simultaneous depression of alternate plus caps lock would "lock" the
alternate mode on for the next keypress, (which obviously could be done with
either hand), after that keypress everything would go back to "normal".

The simultaneous depression of control plus caps lock would perform exactly
the same function for control combinations, and similarly "undo" itself after
the next keypress.

Although this "two-step" maneuver would seem to be more trouble than one-step,
I've played with it a bit, and it is definitely more satisfactory than
reaching the awkward combinations.

Anyone know of such a beast?

Mike Easter
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Message 170       Sun Mar 06, 1994
M.EASTER [Mike]              at 16:44 EST

On second thought, forget about the caps lock key.  The alternate or control
keys would lock themselves on for one subsequent keypress.

Hmm.  I think I'll search the library under alternate and control.
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Message 171       Sun Mar 06, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 22:50 EST

Mike,

I thought there was a DC util for that purpose -- or maybe a freeware CodeHead
utility? Charles or John might know.

Al

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Message 172       Mon Mar 07, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:23 EST

Mike,

        If I remember correctly the cap lock key is not an control key so it
can not be used in combination with other keys other than control (shift,
control or alt) keys.

        CodeKeys can do wonders for keyboard changes, and I believe there are
a couple of programs out that will remap the keyboard changing a specific key
for another, but I am not sure it they will work on control keys.

        I use CodeKeys to fix all those problems with various programs and I
can have a custom set of keys for each program as needed, CodeKeys can
remember what I want with each program.

>> Joe M <<
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Message 173       Mon Mar 07, 1994
M.EASTER [Mike]              at 07:23 EST

Al - re DC utility

There is a file DC KeyTop to be used with DC DeskTop only, but I don't know
what it does.

Joe - re CodeKeys

I have CodeKeys and use it for some very interesting purposes, but I don't
think I can set it up to do this job as described.  Maybe I'll pose this
question/ concept over in the CodeKeys topic.

Mike Easter
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Message 174       Mon Mar 07, 1994
C.UNDERWOOD1 [Carson]        at 08:19 EST

I just brought up CodeKeys & tried to make the Caps Lock a hot key. It didn't
recognize it, though every letter pushed afterwards was capitalized in the
macro window.

                             Carson

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 175       Mon Mar 07, 1994
MIKE.KELLER                  at 21:58 EST

What's the best desk accessory for saving a screen snapshot to disk?

 mike.k

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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 176       Mon Mar 07, 1994
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 23:43 EST

Mike, my favorite is an AUTO program called SNAPIT.PRG. Very small but it
saves each ALT-HELP to a series of SNAP00x.PI3 files on your boot drive.
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Message 177       Tue Mar 08, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 03:23 EST

Mike,

By far, Imagecopy 2 from the CodeHeads. There is just no competition.

Al

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Message 178       Tue Mar 08, 1994
K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH]   at 21:52 EST

Mike,

Ditto Al's opinion.  If you use a rez above ST rezes, Degas formats are no
good to you.

I used Imagecopy 2 for screen shots for Fairbanks user group newsletter
article, much better than trying to use Degas files after enlarging them.

Ken
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Message 179       Fri Mar 18, 1994
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 23:12 EST

  Does anybody know the current owners/programmers of the Desk Accessory
called Abbreviator?.  And also how to contact them?. Thanks.

It has several problems with Geneva that I would like to see fixed (either by
them or me).

                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
                ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Friday, March 18, 1994 - 10:45:58 pm
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Message 180       Sat Mar 19, 1994
M.EASTER [Mike]              at 07:23 EST

Jeff - re Abbreviator programmer

USMail, telephone, and GEnie as of Feb '91:

                                   Kyle Cordes
                               3815 Greengrass Dr.
                              Florissant, MO  63033
                     Call (314) 921-0614 and ask for Kyle
                                 GEnie: K.CORDES
                                                       February 1991 Mike
Easter
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Message 181       Sat Mar 19, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 09:03 EST

Jef,

        If you can't find the Abbreviator folks you might try Spelling Sentry,
it has an abbreviator feature and it is currently supported.  I don't know if
it has any Geneva conflicts.

>> Joe M <<
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Message 182       Sat Mar 19, 1994
BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp]           at 10:41 EST

 Joe, these two programs are not the same. I h ave both installed on my system
since Abbreviator handles
 multiline abbreviations better.
  Just ot confuse the issue, the address I have is different. It is for "It's
All Relative".
  Gregory J. Kopchak
 GREG
 It's All Relative
 2233 Keevan Lane
 Florisant, MO  63031
 Work phone: 314 831 9482
 It's All Relative/BookMaker/Forecaster3
 AbbreviatorST/Photo CD Conversion
 Photo Show/View and Script
 Kodak Photo CD Images


 Please note the EMail address is "GREG". Greg is active online here.
  ~~~~Brian ...  Written on Saturday 19 March 1994 at 11:37 a.m. ADT
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Message 183       Sat Mar 19, 1994
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 16:29 EST

  Joe,

The biggest problem with Spelling Sentry is that you have to have the spelling
option on to have the abbreviations active.  But it does work with Geneva.


Brian,

Thanks, I will contact him.


Mike,

That was the address I had, but if I remember correctly, Kyle Cordes got out
of the Atari market and left support to someone else, but I could not remember
who.

                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
                ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Saturday, March 19, 1994 - 4:02:44 pm

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Message 184       Sat Mar 19, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 18:10 EST

Brian,

        As I said it is "a" abbreviation feature, not the same as
"Abbreviator."  For my use and some others it works just fine.


Jeff,

        I have never knowingly had the spelling option off.  I have a
difficult time spelling c-a-t.  <grin>

>> Joe M <<
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 185       Sun Mar 20, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 01:20 EST

No Geneva conflicts, Joe.

Al

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Message 186       Sun Mar 20, 1994
BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp]           at 12:35 EST

Joe,

>it is "a" abbreviation feature, ...

So true but I wish I didn't need to have both installed. BTW, I presume you
mean "AN" {grin}.
 ~~~~Brian ...  Written on Sunday 20 March 1994 at 12:53 p.m. ADT
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Message 187       Sun Mar 20, 1994
E.ROSEN [Ed Rosen]           at 22:41 EST

I'm looking for a source of Signum fonts.  If anyone knows of a BBS or
software supply house that may carry these, please let me know.

BTW, I am aware of what is here in the libraries.

Thanks.
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Message 188       Mon Mar 21, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:19 EST

Message 186   Sun Mar 20, 1994 BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp]

 > I presume you mean "AN" {grin}. <

        Maybe I should run all my messages through Gram-Slam.  <grin>

>> Joe M <<

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Message 189       Sun Mar 27, 1994
A.PETRIE1 [Suzie/AL]         at 12:42 EST

  Perhaps somebody out there could help me out. I am looking for the following
program. I have searched Genie for this without sucess. It is possible that my
search criteria was not correct or it exists on another service that I do not
have access to. If you know where it is on Genie please direct me to it. If it
isn't on Genie and you have it would you please upload it and let me know.

From the description this creates and shows those abstract looking pictures
that if you can shift your visual depth perception you can see very clear 3d
images made up of abstract patterns.

Any help will be greatly appreciated

 Thanks
 AL P

The following is from AEO 305

 > |||   The Unabashed Atariophile
 > |||   By: Michael R. Burkley
 >/ | \  Delphi: MRBURKLEY    GEnie: AEO.4
       -----------------------------------------------------------------

 >[] STIS is the Stereoscopic Image System by Phillip W. O'Neal v.1.00
 >(dated early in 1993). 3-D photos and movies normally require special
 >lenses glasses to view. This program creates 3-dimensional images on
 >the ST that need no special glasses or anything else to see them in
 >3-D! It's amazing, but true! Several images are included, plus the
 >program itself will create (and print out!) more images for you.



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Message 190       Mon Mar 28, 1994
J.BRENNER1 [See Flat]        at 19:09 EST

Is there a topic for Word Flair II. I just got it bundled with a computer I
bought. I had never heard of it before.

John B.
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 191       Mon Mar 28, 1994
BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp]           at 19:33 EST

Yes, John. Topic three in category 35.
 ~~~~Brian ... Written on Monday 28 March 1994 at 08:32 p.m. ADT
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Message 192       Mon Mar 28, 1994
VCROSS [Vince_C]             at 21:51 EST

Are the executables for MINT 1.08 available for download anywhere? The latest
version I can find here or on the UMich archives is 0.95. The source for 1.08
is here, but I really don't want to have to compile it myself. I don't think
it would compile under Laser C without some mods. Any help is appreciated.

Vince

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Message 193       Tue Mar 29, 1994
J.BRENNER1 [See Flat]        at 00:11 EST

 Thanks Brian,
             My topic list ends at Cat33, I'll have to fix that. :-)

 John B.


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Message 194       Tue Mar 29, 1994
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr]       at 05:45 EST

VCROSS - Blame Atari for not having executables!  As part of the licensing
agreement for MiNT, only Atari is allowed to distribute executables of any
version 1.00 or above.  This is from what I've HEARD, anyway.
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Category 2,  Topic 25
Message 195       Mon Apr 04, 1994
M.BILINSKI                   at 01:46 EDT

What programs are there (PD, hopefully) that will allow you to "undelete"
files that have been unfortunately deleted?

Marek

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Message 196       Mon Apr 04, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:02 EDT

Marek,

        There are a number of programs capable of un-deleting files. The one I
use is a commercial program called Diamond Edge.  It will handle a whole range
of drive functions including defraging files and moving free space, allowing
your drives to work faster.

        There are some PD and/or shareware files that will at least un-delete.
I think one was put out by Double Click.  Sorry I don't know the number or
exact name, my file list was mugged a few months ago and I have not rebuilt
it.

>> Joe M <<
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Message 197       Mon Apr 04, 1994
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 07:29 EDT

Marek,

As Joe said, Diamond Edge is the cream ofthe crop in undeleters.

Maxifile has a function that stores all deleted files in a holding area, if
you'd like that kind of thing. And NeoDesk has a recoverable trash can.

Al
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Message 198       Mon Apr 04, 1994
DMJ [dmj]                    at 20:42 EDT

Marek,

Data Rescue is a commercial package with only one purpose: to help you recover
files you deleted by mistake.  I find its RESCUE folder both transparent and
pretty much infallible, whereas using an UNDELETE-type program, even Diamond
Edge, will not always work.  Stop by the TraceTech topic (CAT 2, TOP 12) for
more information.

     ~dmj

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Message 199       Mon Apr 04, 1994
M.EASTER [Mike]              at 22:42 EDT

Marek- re undelete utility

While looking for another file, I recently came across a pretty good undeleter
in ST Tools, gem based, recognizes its limitations (inability to recover non-
contiguous and overwritten).  The old one I have is TOOL19.LZH (#23342).
There may be a newer one.  Pretty handy utility with a number of other
functions.

Mike Easter
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Message 200       Mon Apr 04, 1994
G.FUHRMAN [gnox]             at 23:59 EDT

Data Rescue is my pick for the `cream of the crop' (sorry, Al!).  I have
Diamond Edge but prefer Data Rescue over Edge's Mirror module, because DR can
undelete a file that has been saved since the last bootup and has been
fragmented, which Mirror can't do, and because it maintains its Rescue folders
(recoverable trashcan) in a more intelligent way than any other utility.

      gnox
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Message 201       Tue Apr 05, 1994
G.LEONE [Gerry]              at 00:41 EDT

Marek --

I found 3 "undelete" programs among my collection; all are either freeware or
shareware.  They are: UNDELETE, RECOVER, and UNERASE. I've used all three with
success.

However, I *do* recommend Diamond Edge.

Let me know if you're interested in any or all, and I can either e-mail them
to you or upload 'em.

  -Gerry
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Message 202       Tue Apr 05, 1994
R.WHITTAM [Ron - ABUG]       at 08:32 EDT

Marek-

ST TOOLS is shareware and will undelete as well as fix disk problems,
defragment and optimize disk space.  Great for hard drives.

There are a few UNDELETE accessory programs.  The older ones only worked on
floppy disks.

There is a program called SALVAGE that will bit copy a disk.  And will allow
the recovery of data that most programs wouldn't find.

HiSoft SAVED! is a commercial product that has a collection of utilities.
UNDEL will recover deleted files.

  Ron
  ABUG



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